RE: Without the Shedding of Blood There is No Remission of Sin
May 3, 2017 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2017 at 10:47 am by Rhondazvous.)
Luckie Wrote:Steve, do you understand what a hypothetical question even is?
Because.. hypothetical questions are just that-- they're hypothetical.
The situation of --would you kill a baby if your god told you to-- does not need to align perfectly with reality (obviously) in order to have an answer at all, much less the fictional tales told in the bible. So your timey wimey flim flammy circles of deflection have zero bearing on the hypothetical question at hand.
You just don't want to answer, and you're doing so by insisting, for some outlandish reason, that hypothetical situations need to align perfectly with reality in order to have an answer at all! Which is just.. ridiculous. Just so you know, you're being ridiculous. Do you know what that means? I could ridicule you. But, I wont.
This whole you and Lek not being able to answer a simple hypothetical question (well I mean it's simple for me, I'd tell so and so god where to shove it!), is taking wayyyyy too much time and attention from the actual point I'm trying to impart upon you, and the subject of this thread. Blood sacrifice, as described in Old and New testament, and why it's even a requisite?
How could he answer such a question when the biblical god did command his so-called people o kill babies and even got angry at them when they had mercy on the people he told them to kill? He knows any answer he gives will make his beliefs fall apart, so his best course of action is to attack the question.
(May 2, 2017 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote:So when the biblical god commands his people to kill the babies and pregnant women, what you're saying is that didn't happen in reality. Well, no one here believes the bible stories are real, so at least we agree on something. Welcome to the family, Steve.(May 2, 2017 at 4:57 am)Esquilax Wrote: The same value as every other hypothetical. You're imagining a situation to see how you would behave within that scenario.
Now, you might not think that hypothetical can occur within reality, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean that there's no answer, or nothing of value one might glean from it- in this case I'd suggest it'd give us a more comprehensive view of what you value within your moral worldview, which is instructive in a discussion on sin and god. I really can't imagine why theists are always so unwilling to engage with this specific hypothetical- and always in this specific, evasive way- other than that it presents a really bad image problem for y'all.
I know that neither answer to this question allows your beliefs to come out looking very good, but that's not the same as there not being an answer.
Except if I believe, in this case a command from God for me to kill a baby, cannot happen in reality (not possible),
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.