(May 9, 2017 at 1:03 am)Cecelia Wrote: God is supposed to be the bastion for morality, yet he goes around killing people pretty willy nilly in the bible. Not to mention how he demands blood sacrifices--which would be more than a little creepy if he were human. So why isn't it creepy just because he's some invisible wizard?Well first off 'creepy' is a subjective term. it can mean what you want it to mean even after a sound explanation.
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The reason for the blood sacrifice was a reminder of the cost of sin (life.) One can not sin and retain life. That the wage or fruit of sin is death.
Quote:Obviously all of this only applies if he's actually real--but even if you convinced me of his existence, I don't think I'd support the guy. The whole thing reeks of "Might makes right", and that everyone would gladly follow Satan if he were more powerful than God (though they'd never admit it).Might does indeed equal right in every aspect of civilization. So why not here? or can you name a civilization where the mightiest of a given people did not set the rule and write History.
Quote:"God only kills the wicked!"God also takes the righteous by death from the wicked. Steven from those who stoned Him. Pretty much all the apstoles..ect.
Quote:Really? Seems like a pretty poor excuse. All the children in the flood were going to be wicked?Show me a child that is not going to grow up exceedingly wicked in an ISIS type of environment. If a child does not have the wherewith all to be wicked they are consumed by the society. Same thing happens in North Korea. IF you are not brain douched by the state propaganda you are either executed or sent to a "reeducation camp"/Consentration camp and for to hard labor 25 years at a bend to make sure you think like everyone else.
So then if these examples are alive and well in modern times what makes you possibly think That a world ran by 'Titans' would be a better place? That a world consumed by worship of self with NO advocates of God outside of Noah would somehow be a better place? Again North Korea is a place where 'man' is worshiped as god. How could a planet of north Korean thinking yield anything more than evil?
Quote:In which case he was killing them before they actually do anything.So?
Quote:And you can say "Well, they'll go to heaven!" all you like, but unless you happen to be pro-abortion, that argument holds very little water.I honestly don't care what God did with them I simply trust that what ever happened it was for the best for the rest of us. Because one thing is for absolute sure, if they had been permitted to live none of us would be here.
Quote:And what about the 70,000 people he killed when David took a census? Those 70,000 people just happened to be wicked? We're supposed to just take his word on that?David ask the samething in 2sam 24:17
Quote:Lot's wife was killed because she looked back.She looked back longing for the life she had left. In this case God simply gave her what she wanted.
Quote:All the first born children of egypt. Yeah, all of them. There weren't any other ways he could have freed the supposed slaves of Egypt?What effect do you think this had on the nation of Egypt? If all first born males had died? let me restate if all legal heirs died? It would cripple Egypt's economy and destroy the country infrastructure leaving them in civil war and endless infighting.. So much so as to not be a threat to the jews who were to camp out in the desert for the next 40 years.
Quote: I mean the guy left no evidence behind of them ever being there, seems to me he just wanted to be a dick about it.Outside of the first born dead Egyptians and the alive first born jews. Essentially mirroring the plague the pharroah wanted to visit on the jews.. One day after having Moses tell pharroah he would decide the fate of Egypt.
Quote:Killed a guy because he wouldn't hit a prophet that told him to hit him. (Apparently this wasn't one of his insane tests like with Abraham, but you can see why you might not want to hit a prophet especially when...)Actually God did not Kill anyone a lion did. What? lions can't eat?
Quote:The youths killed by bears because they teased a prophet.
Quote:Ezekiel's wife... just to make a point.Ezek's wife died so that Ezek could make the connections between the nation of Israel and God. Ezek's wife was the salvation of the nation from coming wrath/death.
Quote:I really don't see how anyone can look at this guy and think he's obviously the good guy.
"Good" is a false measure of righteousness. No God is not "good" to everyone, because God is first and formost righteous. "Good" is a term that describes personal approval of someone. It is not possible for God to meet everyone's standard of 'good' and not cross the line of being evil. Because no one think themselves as evil, but even we can understand not everyone who calls themselves 'good' are indeed all "good." Even the bad guys think themselves the "good guys" in war.
Quote: Do you think Harry Potter is the tragic tale of the benevolent Lord Voldemort? Is the Hunger Games the story of how the evil Katniss Everdeen stops President Snow? Is Star Wars the story of the downfall of a loving benevolent Empire by a bunch of evil rogues?Funny you should mention that... Maybe, after you see "the last Jedi" you should comment. There is always two sides of every story, and really good story telling does not tell you which side to pick but rather blurs the lines and makes you choose...
Quote:God appears to be the villain of the story,To those who oppose God. That's what I meant that God's can't been seen to be "good" by everyone. as some of us are inhearently evil. Therefore unless God was evil he could not be seen as 'good' to an evil person.
Quote:but people give him a pass because 'Well he created everything!" which amounts to might makes right.
Again show me ANY Working Civilization NOT based on this principle.
Quote:And frighteningly you can look at it and start to see how the Nazis were able to do all the things they did.
They started with controlling the media and science. They began there and then slowly introduced what they called " Positive Christianity" a version where Hitler was seen as Christ.. Much like the Kims of North Korea. (meaning man is worship as God, rather than God)
Quote:The justifications of God's actions are lacking.maybe to those who aren't 'looking'
Quote: All most people can say is that you can't judge God by man's standards.Indeed. how can the finite judge the infinite/what he does not understand of know?
Quote: To which I say: I wonder if the Nazi's thought the same thing about Hitler.Your right once positive Christianity took hold and hitler became Christ. they thought he was not to be judged as his fellow man. Same too with any theocratic/god rulling country. Japan, North Korea, ect...
Quote: Or who else's actions we'll justify because we are powerless to stop them.According to Revelation "We" will know Him as the Anti Christ. You all (men seeking to worship man) will know Him God.