Challenge

[Edwardo Piet]

@EvidenceVsFaith:

And you are right that feelings are not evidence of existence. But both evidence and existence are part of the material realm. So, again, that's using rubber to hammer a nail into the wall.
Your spiritual senses won't tell you anything factual (Psychics are frauds!). But if what they tell you perfectly coincides with what a man 2000 years ago has said, wouldn't you consider that as "evidence"?

Eh? What? Lemme get this straight...

And you are right that feelings are not evidence of existence.

Ok, you agree with me there:

1. feelings are not evidence of existence

But both evidence and existence are part of the material realm. So, again, that's using rubber to hammer a nail into the wall.
Your spiritual senses won't tell you anything factual (Psychics are frauds!). But if what they tell you perfectly coincides with what a man 2000 years ago has said, wouldn't you consider that as "evidence"?

Now you are saying that evidence is insufficient because it's part of the material realm and you are talking about spiritual truths here right?

But then 2. If feelings are not evidence of existence, what exactly are these 'spiritual' truths that your 'spiritual senses' can tell you - that can be anything more than you simply feeling grateful (or whatever) - for whatever reason - to be moved and inspired by the teachings a man called Jesus supposedly gave 2000 years ago? Is there anything supernatural that you believe in here? Considering - I think I read? - that you believe in Jesus, rather than, or MORE than you believe in God? And you do not believe they are one an the same, or that he is a prophet and therefore you certainly don't believe he is the son of God? I mean is there anything supernatural here that you believe in exactly?

What are these 'spiritual truths' that you understand through your 'spiritual senses' that separates these 2 things from simply 'truths' and 'senses'? (i.e, where does the 'spiritual' part come in? What do you believe?).

Also, because you put evidence in quotes, I assume you do not mean 1. evidence in the same way or 2. I assume you also aren't counting FEELINGS to be evidence of Jesus...because you said you don't - because in '1.' you said feelings can't count as evidence, so to now say that 'spiritual truths' do, and can, if they (whatever 'they' are) are guided and based on feelings the how an earth can they count as evidence, according to you (and me) feelings do not count as evidence for the existence of something?

So where is the evidence (outside feelings as we say) for the existence of the 'spiritual', of these 'spiritual truths' using your 'spiritual senses' whatever they are other than simply yours senses?

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