Can someone tell me where in the 2nd amendment it says you can carry machine guns?

[Jeanne]

I agree, Brian, you and I both have a right to discuss our viewpoints....for now.  Those same powerful people who seek to remove our 2nd amendment rights have been hard at work for many years attempting to do away with our right to speak freely.  If you haven't noticed that, then maybe you aren't noticing much that those who would see a Communist America have been doing bit by bit, nudge by nudge...progressive tactics well learned over a century.

I find it interesting, GS, that you went automatically from gun rights to prayer.  Do you think those who support our 2nd amendment must be theists in reality?  I don't pray because I am an atheist, but damn right that sounds like an amazing firearm!  

I find it odd that a gun enthusiast like yourself links other atheists who own guns with theists.  Why do you own guns?  Why do you have what seems to be some superior attitude about your gun ownership?  Why do you believe that only you can own guns and speak about guns and the 2nd in a rational manner?  Will your guns not fire bullets into living flesh with the goal of killing?

Another poster just said it was past time that all guns be removed from those of us, who own them.  Did they mean from you, as well?  Do you believe that will ensure a safer world?  No...you aren't that naive, are you?

If it is crime that you mean to scour from the nation, then talk about those tactics that actually work.  Our courts should prosecute petty crimes committed with firearms to the fullest extent possible.  Assault with a gun handled the same.  Then we could begin on crimes committed with knives and when the criminals start using acid, the courts could prosecute them again to the fullest extent possible.  Soon...only law-abiding citizens will own guns and knives and acid and the criminal element of society will be totally outlawed and banned.  Or something like that...kind of, maybe, possibly...

Yes...let us get all the guns out of the hands of criminals first.

We don't have to wait for one to do the other. Has anyone said we need to cure heart disease before working on cancer? Of course not.

There is no comparison!  If law-abiding gun owners turn in all their guns, then it is open season.  Why do you think most mass murders take place in gun-free zones?  Because the criminally insane know that there are no armed people there, excepting maybe a token security guard.

And...sorry if I misled you, GS, I was writing tongue-in-cheek in that paragraph before.

Getting guns away from criminals and prosecuting them fully is just another part of the security of a free state.  It doesn't negate the 2nd amendment's requirement for the nation's citizens to be responsive to that security by being well-regulated and bearing arms.

-Jeanne

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Brian, you have not stated that you want to ban all guns. But you seem to deny that there are those with power that want to do that. THEY want to disarm the citizens of America who own guns. THEY have their nefarious reasons for wanting that...and it has little to do with crime.

That slope we have been slipping down for some time, as well as, slipping down the others that lead to loss of individual liberty. THEY would relegate the Bill of Rights to the trash bin.

I do not misunderstand you at all. You want people to never die needlessly and you believe that guns make needless death more likely. You believe that severely restricting guns and bullets, via limited magazine capacity, will do that. I don't.

You believe that what you believe is common sense and rational. I don't. I believe that it is naive.

Accidents happen. Stupid accidents happen. Mental breaks happen. Evil people exist.

I appreciate your concern about needless death; it is most certainly one that I share. I will not trade the right and responsibility of bearing arms for a dream of security offered by a central government that above all else seeks to control more and more of its citizens thoughts and activities.

-Jeanne