RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 11, 2017 at 4:16 pm
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2017 at 4:19 pm by Brian37.)
(May 11, 2017 at 3:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 11, 2017 at 2:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Me too, but I am also willing to accept it if she figures out we were right. Someone planted doubt in my head long ago and I wish I could go back and thank them. But if she never sees what we see, the only request I would have is the same of anyone of any religion, don't demand religious based laws, don't get violent with those who blaspheme you, but I think she already thinks that way.
I thought the atheist position was that you didn't know if a god exists because there has not been enough proof to convince you of one. Not that you've already concluded that one for sure does not exist. Am I wrong?
You need to make a distinction here which you seem to fail to do every time I explain this.
The only part that I say "I don't know" about is the future, and even then a strictly semantic sense, and even then I find it highly UNLIKELY a god of the gap answer will fill the ultimate answer. Currently science is running away for any need for a god of the gaps answer on top of it being infinitely far more likely that humans make them up because it is a reflection of them.
CURRENTLY my light switch is OFF on all past and current claims, and yes, I am sure those are all worth discarding and not worthy of considering to be true.
I am an "agnostic atheist". I cant say I wont ever go back, strictly because I have not lived my entire future. But even then I know I wont in my current lucid state. It would take severe emotional trauma or severe brain injury or severe mental decline. Outside those possibilities no. I cannot see myself ever falling back into any god belief as long as I am lucid.
I have too much scientific fact in my head in my lucid state to consider any currently held god claims.