RE: Can someone tell me where in the 2nd amendment it says you can carry machine guns?
May 11, 2017 at 4:57 pm
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2017 at 5:17 pm by Brian37.)
(May 11, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Jeanne Wrote:(May 11, 2017 at 7:21 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: We don't have to wait for one to do the other. Has anyone said we need to cure heart disease before working on cancer? Of course not.
There is no comparison! If law-abiding gun owners turn in all their guns, then it is open season. Why do you think most mass murders take place in gun-free zones? Because the criminally insane know that there are no armed people there, excepting maybe a token security guard.
And...sorry if I misled you, GS, I was writing tongue-in-cheek in that paragraph before.
Getting guns away from criminals and prosecuting them fully is just another part of the security of a free state. It doesn't negate the 2nd amendment's requirement for the nation's citizens to be responsive to that security by being well-regulated and bearing arms.
-Jeanne
Brian, you have not stated that you want to ban all guns. But you seem to deny that there are those with power that want to do that. THEY want to disarm the citizens of America who own guns. THEY have their nefarious reasons for wanting that...and it has little to do with crime.
That slope we have been slipping down for some time, as well as, slipping down the others that lead to loss of individual liberty. THEY would relegate the Bill of Rights to the trash bin.
I do not misunderstand you at all. You want people to never die needlessly and you believe that guns make needless death more likely. You believe that severely restricting guns and bullets, via limited magazine capacity, will do that. I don't.
You believe that what you believe is common sense and rational. I don't. I believe that it is naive.
Accidents happen. Stupid accidents happen. Mental breaks happen. Evil people exist.
I appreciate your concern about needless death; it is most certainly one that I share. I will not trade the right and responsibility of bearing arms for a dream of security offered by a central government that above all else seeks to control more and more of its citizens thoughts and activities.
-Jeanne
Nobody wants all guns banned, if anyone here wants that, I am not with them.
But the government tyranny is a horrible argument. "The founders used weapons to fight the king" true. Nobody is arguing that. But the problem with that argument is that there is no religious or political party oath to own and keep a firearm. I spent 8 years listening to all the tea party nuts scream about how they knew Obama was going to be a tyrant. He left office so that blows that argument out of the water. By that logic, since I have no record right now, and can legally buy a firearm, not that I want to, but I can, and am currently scared of the damage Trump could do, so by that logic, I have even more right to own firearms.
The founders never meant for individuals to act like Rambo. Well regulated militia. Militia is now what we call the National Guard. The only thing that could lead to a one party liberal state, or a one party far right state is lack of enforcement of anti monopoly concepts. Voting is not there to give absolute decision making to either party or any one lobby. If you want to avoid government tyranny, you vote and you speak out, you don't call for armed revolutions.
Government has tanks and Jets now, so I don't think even the left could pull off a revolution much less the right.
(May 11, 2017 at 3:40 pm)Jeanne Wrote:(May 11, 2017 at 7:21 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: We don't have to wait for one to do the other. Has anyone said we need to cure heart disease before working on cancer? Of course not.
There is no comparison! If law-abiding gun owners turn in all their guns, then it is open season. Why do you think most mass murders take place in gun-free zones? Because the criminally insane know that there are no armed people there, excepting maybe a token security guard.
And...sorry if I misled you, GS, I was writing tongue-in-cheek in that paragraph before.
Getting guns away from criminals and prosecuting them fully is just another part of the security of a free state. It doesn't negate the 2nd amendment's requirement for the nation's citizens to be responsive to that security by being well-regulated and bearing arms.
-Jeanne
Brian, you have not stated that you want to ban all guns. But you seem to deny that there are those with power that want to do that. THEY want to disarm the citizens of America who own guns. THEY have their nefarious reasons for wanting that...and it has little to do with crime.
That slope we have been slipping down for some time, as well as, slipping down the others that lead to loss of individual liberty. THEY would relegate the Bill of Rights to the trash bin.
I do not misunderstand you at all. You want people to never die needlessly and you believe that guns make needless death more likely. You believe that severely restricting guns and bullets, via limited magazine capacity, will do that. I don't.
You believe that what you believe is common sense and rational. I don't. I believe that it is naive.
Accidents happen. Stupid accidents happen. Mental breaks happen. Evil people exist.
I appreciate your concern about needless death; it is most certainly one that I share. I will not trade the right and responsibility of bearing arms for a dream of security offered by a central government that above all else seeks to control more and more of its citizens thoughts and activities.
-Jeanne
Did you not even read the two articles I posted from long time GUN OWNERS one a retired Navy Vet and the other former Budweiser CEO, those don't seem to me as being one party fascist commie lovers.
NOBODY IS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY. You don't appreciate my concern otherwise you would not be repeating the same old fear mongering arguments.
Our SCOTUS a GOP SCOTUS SCALIA REPUBLICAN also said firearms can be regulated and are not a free for all.
Stop it with the bullshit slippery slope crap, the far right has been screaming "they are coming for my guns" for 30 years Obama was supposed to become a tyrant according to the far right and that didn't happen.
