RE: Challenge
May 2, 2009 at 6:41 pm
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2009 at 7:04 pm by Sai.)
(May 2, 2009 at 5:10 pm)WWLD Wrote: So because Jesus taught people about god, and why people should worship God, and because he "translated" the word of God...you worship Jesus, not God?
So I guess in this case you also would worship/ follow a priest? or the pope? Because they all "teach" people about God as well, right?
I don't see any other reason why you would worship Jesus since you don't believe he had any divine powers.
I'm very confused on what you believe/ worship and why.
I don't worship anything or anyone... why would god or jesus need to be worshipped? That's simply the statist propaganda that has found it's way into religion.
A more fitting term would be appreciation and love. Just like you would appreciate your parents giving birth to you and caring for you when you couldn't live on your own. Or like you would appreciate and love your husband or wife for supporting you even though you are an alcohol-addicted lazyass (nyaa, just kidding, just kidding XD !). I guess I can say that I love Jesus for his purity (even though that term doesn't carry enough meaning by far, but o well).
I don't "worship" other priests because I trust the judgment of my mind and soul (crap! used the forbidden word again!). And frankly, what I see nowadays in the religious leaders is complete and utter corruption, confusion and greed for material things, which are in complete contradiction to what I have come to believe. But I don't think I need to tell you about that, it's quite obvious especially to an atheist (I would presume). However, religions at the moment are by far not as evil as states. But I digress...
(May 2, 2009 at 4:12 pm)Darwinian II Wrote: I think that Sai believes that JC's words are true because he wants to believe that they are true. I can't think of any other reason, after all there's no evidence to support them and I'm not really convinced that he even existed in the first place.
Certainly not the character as dictated in the bible.
As Carl Sagan said, you cannot convince a believer of anything as their belief is not based on evidence but on a deep seated need to believe.
Weeell, but so could I say that you only are an atheist in order to live that sinful live of flesh and sin, because I can't think of any other reason... XD
(May 2, 2009 at 5:36 pm)Darwinian II Wrote: But which came first? Your views concerning spirituality or your knowledge of Jesus's message? I could understand your point of view if you had formed these views without any knowledge of JC and his teachings and then, to your amazement discovered that you were in synergy with him but let's face it, in the western world it's pretty hard not to know a lot about the man and what he taught.
Uuuuh... *stares at your ava...*
I'm sorry, what did you say again? XD (your ava is goddamn hypnotizing!)
But yeah, chicken or egg, was it?
Of course spirituality was first! Just like my other five senses along with everything else. We are all born with it. Unfortunately, many of our natural traits are blocked and taken away from us when we grow up. I just happened to develop a little differently (well, of course we all grow up differently, but few can manage to really detach themself from the ongoing brainwash of our society).
I would argue, though, that little of Jesus is *really* known in the western world. The christians who really follow christ can be almost counted on one hand. Otherwise, there would be no USA, or any other violence-monopolizing human-authority, for that matter.
