(May 11, 2017 at 9:15 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:(May 11, 2017 at 8:34 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote: If by "reignite the engine of the economy" you mean tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation, that results in a boom-bust cycle. The Roaring Twenties and The Great Depression was the same thing. The Bush Tax Cuts and and the Great Recession. Same thing.
If Republicans really cared about the deficit they'd have learned by now that the economy doesn't become such a beast that the extra income makes up for lost tax revenue. As in that literally never happens.
There's really nothing special about Trump. With the exception of not signing TPP he's a standard republican who clearly doesn't care about the people. The only thing that's different is he says more dumb things and doesn't understand what he can't do and has no experience.
He's kind of like a dumber, big mouthed George W Bush, but also richer.
With the exception of TPP he has not done nor tried to do one populous thing. The people who voted for him got conned. It would've been hard for him not to do what he said with TPP, all he had to do was not sign the agreement.
If you say the wall is populous, we have more undocumented Mexican immigrants leaving than coming in, already. That's from the Obama years. So that's not populous, it's just another con.
As it turns out, when someone has never done something before, they aren't going to be very good at it. That's why they don't generally take kids that've never picked up a basketball before an offer them an NBA contract. That's why they don't offer a contract to write novels to people that are illiterate.
The thing most people forget is that Trump used to be a democrat, but the democrats have turned into socialists or cultural marxists, so anyone to the right of them is labeled a right wing extremists. Democrats really want people to be dependent on big government, and move towards collectivism which really creates a class of drones and people that don't take personal responsibility for themselves, and instead blame others for their troubles and really live to provide a service to their employer while demanding a wage while being ignorant that an employee is just another cost like any other raw material factored into the business. So illegal immigrants provide cheap labor which brings down the wage average of citizens who don't understand this, and at the same time those who are poor want more people to come in to flood the pool of eligible employees.
I haven't seen any of the awesome things Trump has done to get the economy going on this forum, and I'm wondering if it's either because people are repeating what they hear on the news, or personally don't add value to society, and are really just dependent, and not entrepreneurs who are risking taking out loans to build businesses and employ people and provide goods and services to people. The deficit is going down, the stock market is going up, the perception of business is overly positive because regulations that hold business back from expanding is fading. The economy is growing, but unless you are actually involved, people perceive it to be going downhill. Honestly not sure how people don't see this, unless they are just looking at CNN or other BS news sources that are focusing on all the trivial matters. I've made thousands personally, and I'm not sure what everyone else is doing.
And yeah illegal immigration is down 75% because they don't feel safe crossing the border illegally because they know we are no longer putting up with that shit. Laws are being enforced, and these are laws that already exist, nothing that Trump has even done, just what Obama ignored.
He doesn't want to lower the deficit, he wants to cut government programs to finance increases to military spending. Pubbies always say the military is in sorry shape and we need to rebuild it, yet we spend as much as the 9 biggest spenders combined.
If he gets his tax cuts through you can forget about the deficit. The Republican tax plans always balloon the deficit. You can't greatly reduce your incoming money like that and somehow expect things to balance.
I don't think the economy is going downhill, I think we could get the boom and bust cycle we always get when republicans get everything they want. The Bust at the end is way bigger than the Boom at the beginning.
I don't idolize entrepreneurs. They are investing money to make money. I'm not grateful to them because they hire people to do work for them. That's something they have to do until automation makes it possible for them to not do so. They pay people because there's no other way right now.
I don't give a crap about the stocks and with the exception of people with 401ks they don't affect the average people that voted for Drumpf in hopes of their lives getting better.
