(May 13, 2017 at 9:19 am)SteveII Wrote: 1. From a series of verses call "The Roman's Road":
- Romans 3:23 NKJV – for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
- Romans 3:10 NKJV – As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;
- Romans 5:12 NKJV – Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned–
- Romans 6:23 NKJV – For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Romans 5:8 NKJV – But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
- Romans 10:9-10 NKJV – that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
- Romans 10:13 NKJV – For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
- Romans 10:17 NKJV – So then faith [comes] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Yes, according to SteveII's favorite book, not according to God. Sorry, but you don't get to argue from the Bible when the OP is about why we should believe the Bible God is the case. By making use of the Bible (and assuming it is God's word) to argue for the Bible God is going in circles.
And, by the way, I know what you're trying to do here, you sneaky you, lol. Taking the chance to preach the Gospel when you can.
Quote:2. If you are arguing about the Christian God, you don't get to redefine it to win the argument. Address my points or you have lost the debate on whether God's actions were just.
Bullshit. If you want to convince any of us why the Bible God must be the real deal, you have to do better than to argue from the Bible. The OP is appealing to our modern moral intuitions; it does not want you to assume the Bible God is just or moral because the question of his "justness" is partly what is being questioned in the OP.
Also, is this really about winning and losing debates now? Is this what it is about for you?
Quote:3. None of that is an argument. That is a typical dodge that boils down to: "I started arguing about how your God does not make sense and when you show me the reasons behind a particular belief, I will just fall back on (circle one) man-made; bronze-age; full of contradictions; Christians don't all agree; got science wrong; conspiracy" ...well done.
Sorry for hitting a nerve, but the OP is exactly about how the Bible God does not make sense, so you can't resort to the Bible to explain how the Bible God makes sense. Use your intuitions instead.