(May 13, 2017 at 6:00 pm)SteveII Wrote:Let's see, god creates Adam, Doesn't give him the faculty to know right from wrong, but puts that knowledge in the fruit of a tree and tells the man not to eat the fruit.(May 13, 2017 at 5:05 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: Since you insist that god is the creator and nobody asked to be created, he does owe us as much as a parent owes his child. A parent who chooses not to provide his child the necessities of life is put in jail for child neglect.You are ignoring the high value he obviously places on free will and the free choice we have to have a relationship with him. While it does mean death to many, it also means that millions or billions have, with their free will, chosen God. A close second is that love is only possible with free will.
It's not that god owes us death, but he chose to give us death when he with full omniscience set Adam up to din.
Your second paragraph denies the omnipotence of god. An omnipotent god doesn't need to calculate the end result because he creates the end result. There can be no reality outside his will. What you describe is damage control, not grace.
God has chosen to limit his omnipotence in favor of free will.
How exactly does one have free will without knowledge? How is god justified in judging a man for disobeying him when he did not know disobedience was wrong until after he did it?
I'm offering you an opportunity to display your logic. something I so love to do.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.