Challenge

[Sai]

I mean is there anything supernatural here that you believe in exactly?

I'm sorry to confuse you... Well, I don't think there is value in a distinction between natural and supernatural, but if I had to, I would say that we are all supernatural, believing that we are natural (uh, i think that may sound even more confusing ^^'). But I'm more comfortable with "natural". God is definitely natural. No point in adding "super" just to make it sound flashy.

What are these 'spiritual truths' that you understand through your 'spiritual senses' that separates these 2 things from simply 'truths' and 'senses'? (i.e, where does the 'spiritual' part come in? What do you believe?).

Simplified it's something along these lines: the piano is matter, the music is the spirit. But it doesn't help describing it, just like describing a song won't make you actually hear it... (but that's partly my fault for not being a virtuoso with words, I'll try to think of something better)

So where is the evidence (outside feelings as we say) for the existence of the 'spiritual', of these 'spiritual truths' using your 'spiritual senses' whatever they are other than simply yours senses?

Well, once again, you are applying the rubber to the nail, no matter how you hit it, it'll just bounce back (sorry to be annoying XD). But you can't see a microbe with a telescope and neither another planet with a microscope.
How about this: do you believe in virtue? Probably. Can you prove it? Well, I would be surprised. Sure, you can find virtuous people, but there is no material thing such as virtue. Yet, would it not still "exist" and have meaning and value even without people? You see, evidence and existence don't really mean anything in this realm.

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I don't see the point in debating with the likes of you. The starting point must be " god ", whether he/she/it actually exists and if he/she/it had a son etc etc etc ad nauseam.

Like I said, don't debate with me if you don't want to. I completely understand that .
It's just an excercise, nobody is going to hell for not participating... yet.