RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 15, 2017 at 8:21 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2017 at 8:25 am by Fake Messiah.)
(May 11, 2017 at 8:06 pm)Orochi Wrote:(May 11, 2017 at 8:04 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I don't think anything exists outside time. Nothing existed before time. The whole concept of "before time" is logically incoherent. I'm sure the same can be said of space.
Indeed to say you exist outside of space is to say you exist nowhere . To say you exist outside of time is to say you exist no when .
Indeed. If God exists, he is omnipresent. To be transcendent (outside space and time), a being cannot exist anywhere in space. To be omnipresent, a being must exist everywhere in space. Hence it is impossible for a transcendent being to be omnipresent. Therefore, it is impossible for God to exist.
But this kind of tortured explanations from Christians of what god is and where he (yes although he lives in another dimension and what no God is always HE) is, does it not remind you of Carl Sagan's story of dragon living in his garage? Sagan claims he has dragon in his garage but whenever you want to prove it he just gives more tortured explanations.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
