(May 15, 2017 at 11:13 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(May 14, 2017 at 12:30 pm)Lek Wrote: As far as I can tell the bible doesn't say that nothing had died yet at that time. Eve told told the serpent that God told her she would die if she ate of the tree. Maybe he had no concept of good and evil, but Adam knew that God told him he would die if he ate of the fruit and he knew he should obey God. After he committed the act he didn't say "I didn't know I shouldn't do it", but rather "Eve made me do it". What you're saying is "I wouldn't punish my children like that, so God shouldn't either". You're judging God according to your standards.
Actually, I'm judging the christian's concept of god by their elaborate justification for what they believe. If they had no concept of Good, then they couldn't have decided it was good to follow god, or that god was good.
(May 15, 2017 at 11:11 am)SteveII Wrote: Since to love God would require free will, how does it make sense that he "chose free will over love"? What you seem to mean is that God chose the goal of having us freely choose him over our a world where we would have blissfully existed but incapable of love. If so, I agree--that is what he did.
The idea of free will doesn't negate love. And to let the myriad of his creations be punished so the few can have free will is hardly love. And, being god, he could have made his existence obvious without violating free will. If his existence was obvious, and people knew who he was, but still refused to follow his rules, then it would be closer to fair. And, since I can conceive of such a god, yours must not exist.
Not to mention the fact god has free will be is perfectly good and is capable of love . So no the freewill defense of gods apathy and indifference does not fly.
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