RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 16, 2017 at 11:55 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2017 at 12:02 pm by Whateverist.)
(May 16, 2017 at 8:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(May 16, 2017 at 8:21 am)SteveII Wrote: My understanding is only reason to think we do not have free will is to presuppose naturalism. So it is not a belief the atheists necessarily wants to believe, it is one they are stuck with. Same with morality--most people actually believe there are objective moral truths, but the atheist can't admit that because it is a necessary conclusion of naturalism that there is not.
That's exactly right. The notion that the physical universe is causally closed is the unfalsifiable second-order principle.
But I presuppose naturalism without doubting free will. Given a choice, why would anyone presuppose supernaturalism? I am fiercely pro natural world, proud to be a natural animal and think everyone with a lofty idea of themselves as a free floating/radically free willing disembodied mind is just off their rocker. Being an animal is a great privilege, being a deluded and pompous non-naturalist is ... unnatural!
(May 15, 2017 at 6:22 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Even monkeys can evolve group protective emotions.
Nature for the F'in win suckers!
