RE: Can prayer change God's perfect plan?
May 17, 2017 at 1:57 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 2:04 pm by Whateverist.)
(May 10, 2017 at 12:13 pm)Valyza1 Wrote:(May 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: It makes no sense to say that we have a free choice to do whatever we wish so long as it is exactly what God already predetermined. That's not free choice.
Why not? If our very identities are determined by God, then we can't help but will things according to His design (namely his design of us). We can choose whatever we want (Free Will), and what we want has been determined by God (Determinism)
If this is what you think, you're doing it wrong.
(May 10, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 10, 2017 at 12:15 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You can't say that we have free will if we "can't help" but act according to his design. That's what a puppet does.
I agree with this. And for the record, I don't see it in the way that other poster does.
As I explained, God knows what we will choose in the future specifically because He is not bound by past, present, and future. He can see everything happening all at once, like looking at a timeline of the beginning of time all the way until the end of it. This does not mean He controls what we choose, it just means He is already seeing what we will choose because He is looking at all of time from the outside of it.
How in the world can you possibly know that (my bolded)? Or did you mean you subscribe to something doctrinal endorsed by the priests of your faith? In that case why not say "Some of us choose to believe God inhabits all of time at once, though of course no really knows what God is or wants"?
