(May 17, 2017 at 10:12 am)SteveII Wrote:If evil is inherent in free will then there can be no free will in heaven.(May 16, 2017 at 8:46 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: I understand the difference you're making and think it is a fair one. It just leaves me with a big question. If the evil was already in Adam and Eve then that has to be the way god created them. Are you ready to say that god is the creator of evil? Are you then ready to justify god punishing them for manifesting what he created in them?
It's not about free will. I don't derive my child of free will by not giving him a button that will blow up the world and leaving him to choose.
I wouldn't say there was hidden evil already within Adam and Eve. It was potential evil because with free will, the potential will always be there regardless of whether one choices to do wrong. Once they disobeyed, the understood a lot more about that then they did before "there eyes were opened" and they understood the the difference between good and evil.
Isn't the tree just a metaphor for the act of disobedience (I'm not saying there wasn't a tree)? I don't think the tree was magical, it just represented the only choice to disobey God in those circumstances.
No matter how you interpret reality, you cannot have an omnipotent, omniscient god who is not responsible for that reality. Nor is there justice in punishing Adam for doing what he was created to do.
The problem is, you're trying to take a book that was written at a time when people were at the mercy of nature and blood thirsty gods were revered, and shoehorn it into a time when that is no longer he case. As a result, you have to come up with all kinds of explanations. None of which really justifies what has already been written.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.