RE: Consciousness Trilemma
May 26, 2017 at 10:59 am
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2017 at 11:06 am by The Grand Nudger.)
-and we're back, in both instances, to an appeal to tradition, and dennets wonderful preemptive quote about the desperate intellectual dishonesty required to quote his assertion out of context.
Dennet is specifically referring to the cartesian theater and epiphenomenalist position, in that assertion. If that is what is meant by consciousness, in his estimation, it does not exist. It seems, though, that he still thinks that there is some x we call consciousness, doesn't it, what with all the attempting to explain it.
You and I, on free will advocating hard determinism, might find an easy example of the sorts of qualia that eliminative materialists can be skeptical of. How it feels to freely will a decision. No one, if hard determinism is true, actually feels that. That qualia will not map to any such freely willing system or process or organ..because there isn;t one.
They might think they do....but whatever they feel is not only not as described..but could not be as described. They couldn't have a feeling of what it's like to freely will a decision, though it's possible that post narrative construction can present itself as-such. Now, we could rinse and repeat with any mental state.
Does that make it easier to understand?
Dennet is specifically referring to the cartesian theater and epiphenomenalist position, in that assertion. If that is what is meant by consciousness, in his estimation, it does not exist. It seems, though, that he still thinks that there is some x we call consciousness, doesn't it, what with all the attempting to explain it.
You and I, on free will advocating hard determinism, might find an easy example of the sorts of qualia that eliminative materialists can be skeptical of. How it feels to freely will a decision. No one, if hard determinism is true, actually feels that. That qualia will not map to any such freely willing system or process or organ..because there isn;t one.
They might think they do....but whatever they feel is not only not as described..but could not be as described. They couldn't have a feeling of what it's like to freely will a decision, though it's possible that post narrative construction can present itself as-such. Now, we could rinse and repeat with any mental state.
Does that make it easier to understand?
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