(July 19, 2011 at 2:02 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Sounds pretty good to me annatar. To me the story is symbolic of our nature. I think it lays it out pretty spot on. We are, after all, all sinners/ flawed. Certainly good deeds get you no where... that's specifically stated elsewhere too.
The explanation.. is that this is the point of the messiah, and how that works. The bible 'documents' differring methods of atonement. Wiping everyone out doesn't work; punishing people doesn't work... all that works is God making himself the sacrifice for us; turning everything on it's head.
So, are you saying god screwed over and over before he came up with the crucifixion idea? Or those stories didn't actually occurred? If so, the question is not addressing you, coz I need someone who believes those thins as real. All I have to say to you is we are not sinners, but your god is. By allowing so much evil has been done in his name, he did the most terrible thing. Sometimes, doing nothing is the most terrible crime... Think of Hitler, he didn't do all those terrible things, he didn't even ordered most of them, people did for his name. And god is no different than Hitler. And the idea of everyone is sinner is pure bullshit. I don't know how you define sin but I've never harmed anyone directly or indirectly. If you think wanking is a sin, suit yourself...
(July 19, 2011 at 4:08 am)Godschild Wrote: Annatar, your friend was telling you the truth about original sin. No all the events before Christ had to be, the flood removed all the people from the face of the earth so that God could start anew with mankind, they had become so evil there was no hope for humanity unless God destroyed them and started over with Noah and his family. I could go on about Abraham, the nation of Israel formed in Egypt, the Exodus and ect. but it would be a wall of text and many here would be sure to let me know it. What God did was to work through history to bring His Son into this world at the appropriate time so the Gospel of Jesus could be spread throughout the world. Like your friend told you we are not responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve, however that sin brought the ability for all to sin into this creation and the innocence of man was lost, so now we are held accountable for our own sins and no one elses, with Jesus as our savior we have the hope to escape our sin but only if we believe.If I remember correctly, god had to be all powerful right? So how come there was no other way than destroying every soul in the world including innocent children?? And remember, It was not their fault to be such sinners, It was because they were cursed by their ancestors (Adam and Eve not apes
). So he killed all those people just to make things go according to his plan? Damn, its more idiotic than I thought.. And you're saying that the guy who came up with those ideas, also created the whole universe?? I asked this question, because I wanted to demonstrate how stupid you sound when you try to explain it. Thank you Godschild for proving my point...
Quote:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Gandalf The Gray.
