Consciousness Trilemma

[Edwardo Piet]

I know, I know, it sounds so radical.....that we might have to rethink the notions of mind a bunch of primitives came up with in the absence of nueroscience.  Perish the thought.  Next thing you know cats will marry dogs, the justice system will collapse, people will become amoral monsters, and it will be armageddon..and then, by god, then.....we'll really wish we'd believed in ghosts.

You fail to realize that with consciousness it's a really really shitty false analogy because it's utterly delusional to think there's any sense in which consciousness itself is an illusion.

"Oh I seem to be conscious but I'm not really".

That's utterly retarded. With consciousness you can't make the illusory/real distinction. With consciousness the appearance is the reality. The very "I seem to be conscious" is what is meant by being really conscious in the first place.

It's retarded to say it's a crap definition just because people are mistaken a lot about the details of their consciousness.

To jump from that to the conclusion that consciousness itself is an illusion is just retarded. It's the one thing that can't be an illusion.

Literally the entire material world could be an illusion. We could all be in a dreamworld or in the matrix... or we could be in a dream within a dream within a dream that stretches back for an infinite regress. It's absurd but it's not impossible in principle.

But one thing we do know and can't be an illusion is the fact we are conscious whether the material world exists or not. Our own consciousness itself to be an illusion is possible in principle.

Consciousness is the one thing that can't be an illusion, for fuck's sake.

The idea of eliminative materialism eliminating the reality of consciousness and calling it an illusion when it's the reality of their consciousness to even know truths about the material world in the first place just shows how retarded eliminative materialism is when it's directed at consciousness. To say "Oh I seem to be conscious but I'm not really. It's an illusion" is just meaningless contradictory bullshit. The fact that it's true by definition that if we seem to be conscious and consciousness depends on seeming then we're consciousness... is not folk psychology it's the logical equivalent of "a square has 4 sides." By eliminating that aspect consciousness isn't even being addressed.

The whole concept of an illusion depends on a distinction between real/not real. You can't make that distinction with consciousness because literally the distinction we make between real/not real itself depends on our own consciousness. For. Fuck's. Sake.

So much retarded fail on your side.