Consciousness Trilemma

[The Grand Nudger]

If I, Ham, defined human consciousness as "the stuff that souls do", would you grant that this type of consciousness exists, or argue against any suggestion that it doesn;t by saying "squares have 4 sides!"?

No but that's an absurdly false analogy. I'm DEFINITELY not going to bother with you if that's the best you've got. The fact that you can't seem to be conscious unless you have a consciousness to experience that seeming is a tautology like "squares have 4 sides". Comparing it to "the stuff that souls do" is a pathetic strawman.

Is it?  Dennet says, in no uncertain terms..that he doesn't think that consciousness described or defined as as x exists...and you respond with

"ZOMG dennet says consciousness doesn't exist!" -over and over and over...........


Explain to me how, after making that mistake right at the outset, anything else you say pursuant to that can be relevant criticism of his position, rather than you fapping on endlessly about your own misapprehension?

Here you go, second time i've posted this....

Are zombies possible? They're not just possible, they're actual. We're all zombies. Nobody is conscious — not in the systematically mysterious way that supports such doctrines as epiphenomenalism."

B-mine. The footnote to this passage, which has created the industry of sensationalism surround it...is this...

It would be an act of desperate intellectual dishonesty to quote this assertion out of context!

Meanwhile, he advocates for his own description and definition of consciousness..which sort of strongly suggests that he thinks that you have a consciousness...........even though he, like you, thinks that some people are super duper wrong about that consciousness..and as such, we do not possess the sort of consciousness -they- advocate for....like the one where consciousness is the stuff the soul does....or the experience of the non-existent humonculus.