RE: Consciousness Trilemma
May 28, 2017 at 10:31 am
(This post was last modified: May 28, 2017 at 10:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I actually don't agree with his position on free will, I don't agree with every position he has on consciousness either....but at least I understand them enough to know what I don't agree with...lol.
Yes, he may as well say that, IMO, but I understand that if Dennet is trying to describe what we're actually doing, and not holding steadfast to some ridiculous folklore regarding free will...he will necessarily have to redefine free will.
I don;t know whether or not our brain is bootstrapping itself, but it's demonstrably clear that a system -can- bootstrap itself, we use systems that do that all the time. Dennet thinks that this bootstrapping might fit the description of free will, insomuch as what we seem to be talking about when we say "free will" could be that, instead of some mysterious x previously defined -as- free will, traditionally.
(by the by, ofc em try to describe whatever they can about consciousness from a position of objectivity rather than subjectivity.....think about it for a moment, it'll come to you. Where they get skeptical is where, in their opinion, after describing what can be objectively shown, there is nothing left to require a subjective explanation, and plenty to show us that our subjective description is in error. They wonder whether we actually feel that way, or if it's just a narrative we've told ourselves about feeling that way, with no identifiable mental analog, or whether it might actually be a composite description of other mental states or relationships to external objects.)
Yes, he may as well say that, IMO, but I understand that if Dennet is trying to describe what we're actually doing, and not holding steadfast to some ridiculous folklore regarding free will...he will necessarily have to redefine free will.
I don;t know whether or not our brain is bootstrapping itself, but it's demonstrably clear that a system -can- bootstrap itself, we use systems that do that all the time. Dennet thinks that this bootstrapping might fit the description of free will, insomuch as what we seem to be talking about when we say "free will" could be that, instead of some mysterious x previously defined -as- free will, traditionally.
(by the by, ofc em try to describe whatever they can about consciousness from a position of objectivity rather than subjectivity.....think about it for a moment, it'll come to you. Where they get skeptical is where, in their opinion, after describing what can be objectively shown, there is nothing left to require a subjective explanation, and plenty to show us that our subjective description is in error. They wonder whether we actually feel that way, or if it's just a narrative we've told ourselves about feeling that way, with no identifiable mental analog, or whether it might actually be a composite description of other mental states or relationships to external objects.)
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