Consciousness Trilemma

[Edwardo Piet]

You mean he denies what you think consciousness is

Ummm words and definitions are just made up dude. I KNOW what consciousness is going by the dictionary.

If he wants to redefine consciousness so it doesn't mean subjective experience or qualia, fine, but it's no wonder that I'm not the only intelligent person who realizes he's changing the subject and not even interacting with it.

...and that can only be true if you think that consciousness is, for example, the homunculus in the cartesian theater to which he was explicitly responding in his book.

BULLSHIT

I'm a reality about subjective experience. I'm not saying that I'm right about the characterization of my subjective experience. I'm saying that my subjective experience itself is real. It HAS to be. It cannot not be. That's impossible. I'd have no consciousness at all if I wasn't.

He's literally just addressing something other than subjective experience and calling that "consciousness" he's playing silly word games and thinks he's being scientific and going against "folk psychology", no he's fighting against the English language. He can call a potato "consciousness" and study that if he likes... and by doing that he certainly wouldn't be trusting folk psychology. But he'd still be being irrelevant as fuck.

 If you don't think that, for example, he's not denying what you think consciousness is.  At least not in that instance...who knows what else you think consciousness is.

It's not a matter of what I think it is. Consciousness is defined as subjective experience so if he's going to talk about something other than that then whatever he's talking about it's not consciousness. And many aspects of what we think our subjective expereince is may be illusory by subjective experience/consciousness itself is not and cannot be an illusion.;

Stop trying to defend such a ridiculous position, seriously.

Because he thinks we have this consciousness stuff...of course.....it just isn't what some people think it is.

Consciousness is subjective experience. So yes it is exactly what everyone thinks it is. Everyone who isn't a complete idiot and who has read the dictionary definition or speaks basic English knows that consciousness is subjective experience and they as a subject knows they experience things and know it exists.

What they think they are conscious of they can be wrong about and may not be what they think it is. But that's a different matter altogether.

Do you understand yet?

Quotemining is bad...Hammy.   

I didn't fucking quote mine I said it was from the very podcast that I already posted here. Watch the fucking podcast instead of calling me a quoteminer when I already provided the source of the quote.