Consciousness Trilemma

[The Grand Nudger]

Ummm words and definitions are just made up dude. I KNOW what consciousness is going by the dictionary.

If he wants to redefine consciousness so it doesn't mean subjective experience or qualia, fine, but it's no wonder that I'm not the only intelligent person who realizes he's changing the subject and not even interacting with it.

If consciousness was not actually what people thought it was, would there be any point in adhering to that definition?   

BULLSHIT

What can you possibly mean by bullshit?  Dennet makes the comment explicit in multitudinous ways, that you yourself have quoted.  

I'm a reality about subjective experience. I'm not saying that I'm right about the characterization of my subjective experience. I'm saying that my subjective experience itself is real. It HAS to be. It cannot not be. That's impossible. I'd have no consciousness at all if I wasn't.

Your subjective experience™ is real, OFC it is, it's just not what you think it is?

He's literally just addressing something other than subjective experience and calling that "consciousness" he's playing silly word games and thinks he's being scientific and going against "folk psychology", no he's fighting against the English language. He can call a potato "consciousness" and study that if he likes... and by doing that he certainly wouldn't be trusting folk psychology. But he'd still be being irrelevant as fuck.

He thinks that those traditional definitions of consciousness hinge on a naive understanding of the mind.  He's trying to explain the same thing as those, in his estimation, naive theories of mind are trying to explain...so he uses the shared term.  I guess he could have used a different word, but Ham, cmon...lol?

It's not a matter of what I think it is. Consciousness is defined as subjective experience so if he's going to talk about something other than that then whatever he's talking about it's not consciousness. And many aspects of what we think our subjective expereince is may be illusory by subjective experience/consciousness itself is not and cannot be an illusion.;

Stop trying to defend such a ridiculous position, seriously.

What ridiculous position?  Why can't the specific aspects of specific types of specific descriptions of consciousness....what he is actually and explicitly addressing in that segment...be illusory?  Do you think that the experience you have, of how it feels to be the humonculus, will map to a discrete mental state analogous to the humonculus?  Will we find the little man in the brain region of the brain?  Is there such a region?  This, is what Dennet, in those things specifically, -and explicitly- has been expressing skepticism with regards to.  

Consciousness is subjective experience. So yes it is exactly what everyone thinks it is. Everyone who isn't a complete idiot and who has read the dictionary definition or speaks basic English knows that consciousness is subjective experience and they as a subject knows they experience things and know it exists.

What they think they are conscious of they can be wrong about and may not be what they think it is. But that's a different matter altogether.

Do you understand yet?

I understand that you're trying to have an argument with me about something entirely irrelevant to dennets statements as they regard -our- disagreement (you see, I;m not arguing that dennet is right, I;m suggesting that you are mistaken regarding the contents of dennet's position, for whatever reason).  I also understand that you really, really believe that you're right.  Will we find a discrete mental state of Ham being right, in hams brain?  Or might it be possible, that the feeling you have, ham being right, is not, in fact, any discrete mental state, but a misapprehension of hams brain that, nevertheless...manifests itself as a genuine experience?

I didn't fucking quote mine I said it was from the very podcast that I already posted here. Watch the fucking podcast instead of calling me a quoteminer when I already provided the source of the quote.

Defending a quotemine is worse.