(May 30, 2017 at 10:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Then consciousness doesn't exist, since there is no such happening, only the happened, Benny.
That's kind of the crux of their entire point. If -you- insist that consciousness is something that it is not and cannot be, then consciousness does not exist. That it seems that way, to you, to all of us...is no certifier that it is that way...and specifically in this case, it demonstrably isn't and logically could not be..in the absence of some unknown element x. I mean that in the strongest possible sense. Some unkown element x that is distinct from the brain, and has it's very own physics, unrelated to or divorced from the physics of literally every other object in existence....but also some unknown element x that can forcibly overcome the limitations of the brain. See, we know the brain can't do what you think consciousness is. So whatever consciousness actually is is not only capable of doing that thing..but jacking the brain into lockstep with it, in spite of it's limitations. It's capable of fooling your brain into thinking that you're doing what cannot be done.
Obviously, no one attempting a material explanation of consciousness wastes much time with that noise. Maybe, just maybe, it's not some mysterious element x doing any of that, but the brain itself.
I think consciousness is a product of the brain; in other words our minds are rigged to generate it.
In terms of experience: our minds have enough nerves and enough connection ability to write down the experience.
I would say that debating it is just an escape attempt from reality: why aren't we stone or just some dirt particles?
I call consciousness the soul:
Quote:Sura 38, Page 457, The Quran:
(71) [So mention] when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I am going to create a human being from clay.
(72) So when I have proportioned him and blew into him of My soul, then fall down to him in prostration."
The verse from the Quran proves that there's something different about humanity: God himself blew his soul unto us; I think the what makes us conscious and above all: different.
The physical representation of that soul is the way our brains are rigged; that's why many think that God himself is living inside our heads; that we are God.
But we aren't. That's a mere consciousness that woke us up to this life.