RE: Consciousness Trilemma
May 31, 2017 at 1:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2017 at 1:20 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 31, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Hammy Wrote: The fact people are deluded about the mechanics of what they think consciousness is, doesn't make the experience of what they think consciousness is an illusion. That's an non-sequitur.The fact that people are deluded -by their conscious experience- regarding the nature -of- their conscious experience...-does- mean that what they think consciousness -is-....is an illusion..............
-if- those people insist that consciousness -is- the illusion. If they say, that how it seems to be, despite it's complete impossibilty, is the way it is. This is what dennet was commenting on, this is what I am commenting on.
Quote:He's right about there not being a homunculous or Cartesian theater. And he's right about his multiple drafts model about how consciousness works. That's all very interesting and correct mechanics but it's completely irrelevant to his non-sequitur and logically fallacious conclusion that therefore consciousness itself is an illusion."Ofc consciousness exists, it's just not what you think it is".
By the by, all that stuff you mentioned about the non conscious processing being fed to the conscious region of the brain -is- the humonculus in the cartesian theater. That, he thinks..is an illusion..and so do you, if you agree with him..if you can make up your mind about whether or not you agree with him once and for all.....
Quote:Pretty soon I'm going to be quoting where you yourself agreed with me and then quoting your own contradictions against yourself and it will make you look really foolish. I hope you have fun watching that while you try to wriggle out of it. You've already said that consciousness is real but people are in error about how it works. That is my position.That;s also Dennets position, and the position of eliminative materialism. That how it works, and how it seems to be..are not (or cannot be) in agreement. It cannot be as it seems, because of how it works. Understand?
Quote:That it's not in an illusion people are just in error with how they think it works. They're deluded, they have a delusion not an illusion and it's about the mechanics not about the experience of consciousness.OFC it's about the experience. You -experience- the humonculus in the cartesian theater. We all do. If you want to wheedle around with the terms delusion and illusion be my guest? The experience is in error. What we experience is not what's happening.
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