(May 31, 2017 at 4:15 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(May 31, 2017 at 9:52 am)Chad32 Wrote: We use the example of a 2 year old because, if the Eden story was taken literally, then Adam and Even had no concept of good and evil/right and wrong at that point. They had no concept of death either, so saying "you'll die if you do this" is meaningless. A 16 year old has grown, and learned right from wrong, by that time, and likely understands what death is.
First of all Adam was hanging out at a minimum of around 1000 years before Eve was even created or close to 2000 years max .. are you going to sit here and say that 16 years trumps 1000?
Also they clearly knew right from wrong seeing how they hid from God, why would you hide if you didn't know you did anything wrong?
(May 31, 2017 at 9:52 am)Chad32 Wrote: That "simple" way you mean is what? Jesus dying? Actually it's kind of convoluted, came long after he tried and failed other ways to solve the problem, and shows he still doesn't know how to solve an issue without killing someone. Jahova/Yahweh never learned, or grew, from his experience, so why should we worship it?
The only way that you need be concerned about is to repent and be baptized.
Just like Naaman in the Old Testament seeking a cure for leprosy was told to go dip himself 7 times in the Jordan river, but those instructions seemed ridiculous, because in his mind, there were better rivers to utilize than the Jordan.
Why are you so concerned with how God chose to remit sin? Just be content that there is a simple way for your sin to be remitted.
Where did you get the idea of 1000 years? A day was not 1000 years, given that we don't have the sabbath every 7000 years. We have it every week. And nobody every said Adam was several thousand years old when he died. Sure they apparently knew right from wrong, after they ate the apple that gave them the ability. Though one wonders, if them being naked was wrong, why were they naked in the first place. We don't let kids run around butt naked until they decide they don't want to be naked anymore.
The how is as or more important than the what. Why do I care how? Because if I believe I'm a bad person, murdering an innocent person isn't going to make me a better person. What good does it do to give us a way, if that way is obviously immoral? Why do we want to be near a guy that does horrible things to people?
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html
10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/
Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50
A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html