RE: Consciousness Trilemma
June 1, 2017 at 10:41 am
(This post was last modified: June 1, 2017 at 10:47 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 1, 2017 at 10:32 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And therein lies his mistake. He continually likens consciousness to a physical homunculus then challenges others to find it.OFC, because, in his opinion, those people advocate for a theory of mind that depends on there being a physical humonculus. Some bubble in processing where processing becomes consciousness. Some discrete mental state that maps to our feeling of being as-such. We just saw one theory of mind, IIT, that takes it as axiomatic that such a system or region exists.
Well, okay, put em on the glass?
Quote:He's like the man who only looks for his lost watch under the street light because that's where the light is good.You know, I really don't know how to take this Neo? If someone tell's me there's a humonculus...-I- shouldn't even have to shine a light....that should have already been done by the person proposing it.
Wouldn't you agree?
Hell, speaking of agreement. I get that you don;t agree with eliminative materialists, or any materialist...ultimately, on the nature of consciousness. O-kay. However, that shouldn't stop you from both seeing and agreeing with the thrust of em. That what must be in order for some materialist theories of mind to be true, by their own descriptions, is not or cannot be found in the brain.
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