What are your thoughts on fat acceptance?

[Regina]

Good luck with that, the "junk food" that's making americans fat is all the shit that wic and food stamps cover.........

We've actually realized this, institutionally, and theres a big push for what are called "farm fresh stamps" - basically, assistance that can be used to buy something that -isn't- made of corn and cardboard.  OFC, look at how pissy people get when they see poor people buying healthy food with their food stamps?  

"OH em gee, that grifty grifter just bought seafood with his sin moneyz!"

As another poster touched on, either here or in another thread, food stamps (in actualioty, not in principle) exist to prop up industries through the ag dept, not people, and our biggest industry is unequivocally the thing making us fat...so, gordian knot?

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@Khemikal - Yes I have heard that before and it does make sense given the abundance of cheap shitty junk food. Although still, that is down to the food their are eating moreso than genetics or conditions

They eat what they can afford.  I'm not sure what else there is to do?  Say they understand, which most or many don't..that the food they're eating isn't good for them or for their children.  

Even then...what can -they- do?

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-Continuing on the above, wherein some person with access to better food presents the solution "they should eat what I eat".  Ignoring that they can;t afford it, do the people offering that solution realize that what they eat is heavily subsidized by those fatter poor people eating all the dietary trash?  That the producers could not afford to provide them with such quality sustenance if they could not also fob off the much larger portion of lesser quality products that are an intrinsic part of their operation?  That the middlemen in purchasing and procurement offset costs?  That the end processor engages in loss leader models of sales?  That the consumer retailer reenforces all of this in shittier products with greater shelf space to match their greater shelf life?  

Imagine the lolworthy scenario in which they choose to be richer, the fatties, I mean.  Suddenly you're competing with them for a limited product and the price goes up.  Now even more people are cut out of the lions share, as it were.  

No.  No.  It's lifestyle.  It's choices they make.  It's on them.  Our entire country just suddenly chose to be fat.  Thusly, we can righteously pile shame atop them.  Fat shaming and sin tax, no matter how politely described...would be comic if it weren't so damned cruel - and this is coming from a guy with a high tolerance for a mean joke.

Don't put words in my mouth please. That's obnoxious.

I'm not saying people are "choosing" to be poor or that they're fully knowledgable about how bad the food is that's affordable to them. To argue that people say "yeah I felt like being fat so I ate more" is silly, that's not what I'm arguing. I also agree with what you're saying about these stupid people complaining about poor people being given help getting access to better quality food. Whether that's education, whether it's a plan like the one you mentioned, both, I'm all for that. People do need more help to live healthier, that much is evident by our obesity rates.

My point is that, regardless of the "why" or "how", these people are still getting obese because of the food they eat. That's not genetics, that's external factors.

And secondly, I don't know the extent to which I agree with this argument of poverty either. It makes sense to a point like I said yes the healthiest foods are not very cheap and accessible, and that does matter... in theory though, neither is McDonalds or Burger King, for a very poor person. I have to look at an obese person who gets takeaways thrice a week, and wonder if it would really cost them more to get some frozen vegetables, some fruit and some granola cereal. I don't think it would.

I think if anything, maybe it's lack of education on cooking skills (which I'll admit I've suffered from and seen in other people while at university), as well as the convenience of fast food.

It's also the amount you eat too. Like I said, you don't sustain an extreme amount of weight if you are not constantly eating, and if you are constantly eating, then evidently you have money to spend on food, it seems.

And also why does everything have to get compared to race and sexuality? These are not the same things, they're not the same issues. A black or a gay person cannot change their situation and those things have nothing to do with lifestyle whatsoever, so yes people are wrong for saying that. That's not the case with obesity, which is very obviously (not through conscious "choice" necessarily but still) affected by habits, eating disorders, knowledge of cooking and (to some level) lack of motivation to change it. I do see what you're saying, it's silly to argue that it's just a conscious "choice" in the sense of someone deliberately eating to get fatter, but at the same time extreme obesity is not in-born, set for life, or something the afflicted have no control over whatsoever.