RE: Consciousness Trilemma
June 7, 2017 at 10:27 am
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2017 at 10:40 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Benny.....multiple drafts is an eliminitivist theory of mind.
At some point, it -is- your fault if you're not getting it.
Eliminitivists think that mind is processing. They propose that mind is processing because that's what the brain does. They refer both to behavior and structure as an indication that a creature might might possess what they propose mind to be - hence the quote "we're all p-zombies" from Dennet.
-cont
They feel that mind is, more accurately, the behavior of a system..and not a thing that we will find in the brain - and all non-eliminitivist theories of mind depend upon it being an actual thing in the brain (sorry, I'm excluding any form of substance dualism here...deal with it).
If one system behaves exactly as a "known mind" behaves..it makes little sense to withhold the classification from them. We believe, in the case of p-zombies...that there is some difference between us. The proposition is that we are exactly the same as a p-zombie except for one thing..we experience....
..but, ofc, if a p-zombie were exactly the same as we were in all ways but one..it would -also- seem to believe that it experienced, and it would relate this belief to us in ways identical to our own beliefs about experience. There's no way to rescue -us- from that situation barring bare assertions, once proposed..and good reason in the way of nuerology to accept that we -are- such a system. In their opinions.
At some point, it -is- your fault if you're not getting it.
Eliminitivists think that mind is processing. They propose that mind is processing because that's what the brain does. They refer both to behavior and structure as an indication that a creature might might possess what they propose mind to be - hence the quote "we're all p-zombies" from Dennet.
-cont
They feel that mind is, more accurately, the behavior of a system..and not a thing that we will find in the brain - and all non-eliminitivist theories of mind depend upon it being an actual thing in the brain (sorry, I'm excluding any form of substance dualism here...deal with it).
If one system behaves exactly as a "known mind" behaves..it makes little sense to withhold the classification from them. We believe, in the case of p-zombies...that there is some difference between us. The proposition is that we are exactly the same as a p-zombie except for one thing..we experience....
..but, ofc, if a p-zombie were exactly the same as we were in all ways but one..it would -also- seem to believe that it experienced, and it would relate this belief to us in ways identical to our own beliefs about experience. There's no way to rescue -us- from that situation barring bare assertions, once proposed..and good reason in the way of nuerology to accept that we -are- such a system. In their opinions.
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