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Origin of Matter
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RE: Origin of Matter
(June 12, 2017 at 9:38 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
RedSox Wrote:Understood.  If we’re always left asking “where does that come from” would that logically lead to the belief that at least one of the following is infinite past (has always been)?: energy or matter or quantum fluctuations or really anything that is not null/void.

I don't see how it would logically lead to that belief. It doesn't seem to follow. Do YOU see how it would logically lead to that belief?

“Where does that come from” begs the question if it comes from something at all.  The possibilities are “it does come from somewhere/something” or “it does not come from somewhere/something.”  Even if we don’t know the answer, the reality is that it comes from somewhere/something or it does not (origin in this case a null/void).  If one believes this is a false dichotomy please provide a third, or fourth, etc. option.  Do you agree with the first 3 sentences in this paragraph?  If so, I can expand on why I think it would logically lead to that belief of an infinite past for something that is not null/void.

Edit: Just FYI, Mister Agenda has responded to this and he and I are discussing our conversation via e-mail... seems to be a more efficient medium for lengthy discussions and easier dialogue than message boards.
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Messages In This Thread
Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by brewer - June 5, 2017 at 12:30 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Minimalist - June 5, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by downbeatplumb - June 5, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 2:06 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by downbeatplumb - June 5, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Minimalist - June 5, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by vorlon13 - June 5, 2017 at 1:56 pm
Origin of Matter - by LadyForCamus - June 5, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 5, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 4:01 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by LadyForCamus - June 5, 2017 at 4:03 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Mister Agenda - June 6, 2017 at 10:17 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 6, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Mister Agenda - June 6, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 7, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Anomalocaris - June 5, 2017 at 2:26 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by LastPoet - June 5, 2017 at 2:54 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by brewer - June 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 5, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 5, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 5, 2017 at 4:35 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 5, 2017 at 9:55 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Succubus - June 6, 2017 at 12:06 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 6, 2017 at 3:38 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 6, 2017 at 9:48 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Pat Mustard - June 12, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by ignoramus - June 5, 2017 at 7:20 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 6, 2017 at 3:55 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by vorlon13 - June 6, 2017 at 9:54 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by vorlon13 - June 5, 2017 at 10:42 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Fireball - June 6, 2017 at 12:13 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Fireball - June 6, 2017 at 12:00 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Bunburryist - June 6, 2017 at 12:28 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Alex K - June 7, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 7, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by downbeatplumb - June 7, 2017 at 1:58 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 7, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Mister Agenda - June 12, 2017 at 9:38 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 12, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Mister Agenda - June 13, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by FatAndFaithless - June 7, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by ignoramus - June 10, 2017 at 5:41 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Pat Mustard - June 10, 2017 at 6:51 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by RedSox - June 10, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Origin of Matter - by Ben Davis - June 10, 2017 at 7:29 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by LastPoet - June 10, 2017 at 7:34 am
RE: Origin of Matter - by Ben Davis - June 10, 2017 at 9:28 am

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