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Conservative Atheism
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RE: Conservative Atheism
(June 17, 2017 at 2:05 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:If every doctor I knew was incompetent and unable to produce results for the job they have been hired, and they had a reputation as being untruthful or as an outright liar. Then I may let someone else take a look at a broken leg.

To bad that ironically does not reflect reality. And in fact all you done is replace a corrupt lying  doctor with a corrupt  lying faith healer.


Quote:Lets please be intellectually honest. Your comparison does not even remotely mirror reality.

Yes it does being good at business doesn't mean shit . And your in no position to lecture me on reality with all BS your spewing . Fact is Trump does not know shit about running a country and he constantly demonstrates it.


Quote:People said the exact same thing about Obama. When the evidence is examined from both conservative and liberal perspectives both hold true


Nope Obama for the most part did okay job on the foreign policy file .Trump in 3 months has made America a pariah and a laughingstock . Your clearly looking at this from an apologists perspective.



Quote:As for immigration

Your first statement is bullshit
Your second statement is bullshit
And my point remains unchallenged

So overall your reasons for liking Trump are weak as hell .And your clearly living in a bigger fantasy world. Then the  most deranged of bible thumpers.

I believe professional politicians are a huge problem in the US as a whole.  They become insulated form the real world their constituents live in.  The longer they stay in office the more power and influence they acquire, a good deal of it derived from lobbyists.  I do not see why a two term limit on all senate/congress seats would not help matters.  Nothing is going to stop the political lobby but there influence should be negated as much as possible.

The fact that Trump was not a professional politician and was in private business (even with bankruptcies) leads many business owners to have confidence.  Not that the government is going to do something for them, but to not do something to them.  Ie: $15.00 minimum wage, or imposing some other regulation that will make business harder to run or eat away at the bottom line.  I remember President Obomas speach on July 13, 2012. where he made the statement"
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Business especially small ones are what enables the country to grow.  He has it ass backwards, the government does not provide for businesses, business provide for the government. 

Every time someone mentions tax cuts, liberals scream that it only effects the rich.  Truth is the very rich don't pay a lot of taxes, they use legal means to make their money non taxable.  if they can pay someone $5.00 to legally shelter $20 they do it.  10% means very little to them.  But it does men something to small business owners, allowing them to keep more of their money will often cause the business to grow.  The more your business grows the more money you make in the same amount of time.

 There are plenty of instances where Obama not only made us look weak but undermined US foreign goals.  Setting a time table for troop removal, leaving a power vacuum causing the rise of Isis, the Iran treaty.

As for immigration.  It is true that Obama deported a large number of illegals.  I am the first to say good job, I wish he had done more to enforce immigration law.  Illegal immigration has been on a steady decline sense 2008 (probably bad economy)  According to the US customs and border protection illegal immigration dropped 40% in Jan and Feb of 2017 March of 17 was the lowest apprehension month in 17 years..  In April of 2016 illegal immigration was up 40% (same source).  Obama allowed sanctuary cities, and did not enforce existing immigration law as he should have.  I would be willing to bet that Pres Trump will have a much higher tally of deportations than Obama.  I see the necessity of allowing immigration of political/religious refugees.  As a whole we should pick and choose who we let immigrate to the US, why should we allow someone in if they are going to become a burden on society?  
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Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 16, 2017 at 5:49 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Alex K - June 16, 2017 at 5:56 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by brewer - June 16, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by bennyboy - June 18, 2017 at 6:54 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 18, 2017 at 7:03 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by LostLocke - June 19, 2017 at 9:35 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 19, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Jehanne - June 19, 2017 at 1:53 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 19, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Jehanne - June 19, 2017 at 2:20 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 19, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Jehanne - June 19, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 19, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by NuclearEnergy - June 19, 2017 at 10:57 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Jehanne - June 19, 2017 at 1:20 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by vorlon13 - June 16, 2017 at 6:03 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by c172 - June 16, 2017 at 6:11 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by chimp3 - June 16, 2017 at 6:14 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Minimalist - June 16, 2017 at 6:15 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 16, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Whateverist - June 16, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Gawdzilla Sama - June 16, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Ravenshire - June 16, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Whateverist - June 17, 2017 at 7:19 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 17, 2017 at 10:23 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Divinity - June 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by vorlon13 - June 17, 2017 at 11:29 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2017 at 1:21 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 17, 2017 at 1:45 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 17, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by downbeatplumb - June 17, 2017 at 3:10 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Simon Moon - June 17, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by LostLocke - June 17, 2017 at 5:13 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 17, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Ravenshire - June 17, 2017 at 6:54 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Whateverist - June 17, 2017 at 11:41 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 17, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by downbeatplumb - June 18, 2017 at 4:46 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Losty - June 17, 2017 at 10:33 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 18, 2017 at 1:03 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 18, 2017 at 1:50 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 18, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Pat Mustard - June 19, 2017 at 2:13 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 19, 2017 at 5:13 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Valkyrie - June 19, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 19, 2017 at 6:31 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 19, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2017 at 11:27 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 22, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Joods - June 29, 2017 at 4:01 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 22, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by tjakey - June 23, 2017 at 7:43 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 23, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Harry Nevis - June 29, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Cecelia - June 24, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 24, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Hammok Man - June 26, 2017 at 11:30 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 27, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Astonished - June 27, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 28, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by The Grand Nudger - June 28, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 28, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Conservative Atheism - by Amarok - June 29, 2017 at 2:37 pm
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