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[Kyuuketsuki]

In my view string theory is fascinating but I have to agree with lilphil on theories of infinity and with kyu on multi-verses.When it comes to creationism or ID or whatever they choose to call it these days my biggest problem is that they base this so called scientific theory on a myth.The bible in my view is not a reliable source for scientific truths no matter how you choose to interpret it.The very idea that the biblical God is infinite comes from the bible itself and therefore is invalid as an idea or concept of worth.

I agree it isn't a reliable source for scientific truth but any claim can be investigated scientifically and by virtue of making the claims it does, that the theist does, it forces itself poorly into that arena ... in effect (assuming it has a meaningful message) that leaves us with 3 choices:

• The bible is all true.
  
• The bible is allegorical.
  
• Some of the bible is true some is allegorical.

Each has problems ... the first is rubbish because it obviously isn't all true (the universe was not created in six literal days, the Earth does not have 4 corners, there are no Windows in the dome of the sky and there could not have been a flood as described), the second is possible but (as you say) why believe at all if there are no hard facts? And the third, the option I think most intelligent theists take, is problematic because they are unable to define a method by which they can specify which is true and which is allegorical (all, without exception, appear to have some personal and ill-defined manner of choosing the bits they think are true and which are not).

This is one of the ideas I've been trying to get across to Frodo.

Kyu