RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
June 23, 2017 at 3:27 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 3:34 pm by bennyboy.)
(June 23, 2017 at 2:19 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(June 23, 2017 at 12:43 am)It_Was_me Wrote: I am agnostic. I take a rather simple approach to this entire God thing. I personally see it as there is really no evidence to prove he exists, however, I also feel there is no evidence to prove that he does not exist. BUT...I do think that the lack of evidence of his existence sort of hints that it is more likely that a God does not exist. I believe it is scientifically irresponsible to say he does exist and vice versa. But like I said, due to the lack of evidence provided for that existence, it seems more likely that there is not a God.
I can understand why one would be an atheist for this reason. It really just does not make much sense for there to be a man in the sky.
I hope I am making sense.
Yes, I have read the God delusion. It was a very interesting read and I think Richard Dawkins is a very smart man and makes some excellent points. I do think he is sort of an asshole though. [Sorry if I offended anyone with that statement].
I personally preferred "A brief history in time".
Anyways, I digress.
If you don't believe in god you are an atheist. You may be an atheist because you are unsure, but if you answer no to the question "do you believe in god" you're an atheist.
. . . or if you answer, "I don't know."
(June 23, 2017 at 2:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Neat little description of the relationship between atheism and agnosticism.
Quote:Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.
An agnostic atheist is how I'd describe myself, though with certain definitions of gods I'd feel confident saying they definitely don't exist (a god that violates the laws of logic, for example).
Is there any well-formed definition of God about which you are agnostic, or only the general idea?
I'd say I'm gnostic on the absence of Abrahamic gods, Krshna, etc. etc.: I'm a gnostic atheist. But on the general question "Do you believe God exists?" then I find it very hard to answer that: under some definitions, I may think God is necessary, under others, impossible. It's a kind of quantum superposition, where the answer is determined by how we interact with it, rather than any truth value of its own.
For example, if you say, "God is that which allows for existence rather than non-existence" I'd say it's a pretty unusual definition, but it's necessarily true, and mysterious enough maybe to be worth calling it that.