(June 24, 2017 at 9:10 pm)Parsim0ny Wrote: Hello everyone ,
This is my first thread on the forum, and I hope to get convincing responses to a question I stumbled upon concerning atheism.
Assuming no God can be proven by logic, how can one trust his judgment about religions/existence of god if his mind itself cannot be trusted ? How can I trust any atheist/agnostic's claim that all kinds of proofs that have been given by scholars or philosophers of religion throughout history are false ?
Therefore, rejecting belief is in itself belief that your mind possesses some kind of an absolute power that makes you distinguish between good arguments and fallacies. I don't want to talk about evolution in this thread, but since the brain is the product of random alterations of our genome, how can it be trustworthy ?
You'll say to me that this power is simply logial reasoning, but, you see, logic is based on axioms, i.e. basic FACTS taken for granted. What are you taking for granted to refute any logical argument whatsoever ? And why do you TRUST your thinking in the first place ?
Surely an agnostic's claims are that they don't know if any proof has ever been given correctly about god.
I'm not asking you to trust my thinking, but my thinking is that I can't speak Arabic, I have no interest in learning Arabic and the quran translated to English doesn't sound special to me.
The problem that you're talking about is actually a problem that faces Muslim claims rather than agnostic claims.
Your claim is that you know the quran is perfect, that you know Muhammad was perfect and all the other prophets, yet you couldn't possibly know what is perfect unless you have perfect judgement which you don't.
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