(June 24, 2017 at 10:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: We've (the forum, note it is more than just I) discussed all of those arguments that you site and I have found them lacking. You might try a search here in the forum for past threads that address them. And yes, if not absurd, I find them flawed. However, if you'd like to discuss them yet again and add your own perspective feel free. You might want to start individual threads for each.
If god exists it would not need assumptions of logic, debate or argument. This simply indicates that god(s) was made by man for mans own purposes.
You found them lacking in what sense ? I'll take the cosmological argument as an example, which is based on two premises :
(1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
(2) The Universe began to exist.
To refute the argument you need to reject one of its premises. The relationship between causes and effects is fundamental to all natural science. The second premise is based on the empirical observation that our universe is expanding. So what am I missing ?
And if all kinds of proofs are lacking from your point of view ? What kind of proof do you require in order to accept that a divine entity exists ?
(June 24, 2017 at 10:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I'll trust my brain because it's just that, my brain. I'm sorry that you think you have an untrustworthy monkey brain.
Ad hom.
(June 24, 2017 at 10:45 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I'm sure that your brain didn't come up with the arguments that you site but your brain has made the determination to accept or discard them. Plus you indicate that "The Qur'an repeatedly challenges everyone who reads it to come up with his own impressive Arabic book". How are you able to do that if you can't trust your own brain? Are you suggesting that I trust a god(s) brain? That a god actually wrote your book?
You didn't answer my question, because now you're talking about my brain. I assume that a divine entity created the human brain, simply because this assumption is essential, just as any kind of a priori knowledge or axiom of two-valued logic.
Aside from this, have you actually read the Qur'an ?