RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 25, 2017 at 11:42 am
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2017 at 11:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 25, 2017 at 11:32 am)Parsim0ny Wrote: Why do you conclude that there is no perfect being ?You just told us that a perfect being couldn't leave his creation without guidance. That's how.
Quote:The assumption that a creator exists doesn't mean that He have to provide an independent proof of his existence for everyone. A math teacher doesn't need to travel around the world to demonstrate that the Pythagorean theorem holds, because it's already there for everyone : in a Geometry book.Who cares, we're not talking about math teachers or geometry books...it was your comment, your argument - that a perfect being could not leave it's creation without guidance. Be satisfied that it's accurate or rephrase it.
Quote:Similarly, those who claim that God doesn't show himself just assume that the Qur'an is not proof enough despite the fact that he literally challenges every non-believer to come up with his own Qur'an,I'm not sure what you think that means.......like, write a better book? The Curious George series qualifies. Maybe the Good Doctor Suess? Hell, Where's Waldo counts and it only has two words.
Quote:and if you truly studied the content of the Qur'an, you'll know that he directly condemned Muhammad's paternal uncle Abu lahab to hell while he was still alive, all he had to do was to portray himself as a Muslim and Muhammad will be directly proved to be an imposter.Yeah, alot of people think that their uncles are going to hell. I'm not sure what you think this proves..or even what it;s in response to?
Quote:How can a rational person possibly risk himself to be exposed by inventing such verses ? or maybe he wasn't inventing them ?You're right, a rational person wouldn't risk himself to be exposed by inventing such verses (or at least wouldn;t risk his uncle, I guess?). I guess that means that whomever ghostwrote for "Mohamed" wasn't a rational person. Thanks for clearing that up, I'd been wondering.
Quote:Well, the trinity is their problem, not ours. We simply believe that they were initially right. The verses you quoted simply stated some of the polytheists claims : that Muhammad was simply repeating tales of the ancients in his book. The verses didn't acknowledge that at all.So........I got the context exactly right, then, is what you're saying? Yeah, I know. You knew that too......so?
In any case, it's good to see you eliminated the problem of the trinity. One down....the entirety of your religion to go.
Quote:Yes, thoses verses refer to the fact that Muhammad presumably borrowed from ancient books, but not the Bible specifically. And the Qur'an immediately responds to this claim afterwards, by stating that his sayings are the word of an all-knowing god.Actually, it responds by stating that his words are in arabic. The bar was obviously low at the time. It then goes on to waffle, like all religions waffle, about how you won't see until you believe, and if you believed you would see.
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