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Non-existing objects
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RE: Non-existing objects
(June 26, 2017 at 10:04 am)Whateverist Wrote:
(June 26, 2017 at 1:04 am)KerimF Wrote: Thank you for your interesting notes.
 
Yes, if someone did never feel the need to search for which end purpose he was forced to exist in this life, why should he bother himself by even just believing there is a Will/Power behind his own existence? After all, the instructions about how to play his role in this life are already embedded in his living cells (forming his human living flesh). So he has no choice but following them (though they are very complex in order to give him the feeling he has a free will). He does it with or without his knowledge.  
 
On the other hand, what is the difference in your opinion if I say my computer is made (through many processes) by a certain company and my being is made (also through many processes that needed millions of years) by a certain Will/Power?
 
About Geometry, I meant if someone is not interested in learning Math seriously, the reason won't be because Math has abstract notions but because he doesn't see in it a useful knowledge for his life.
 
So, we may say that typical atheists and the formal theists have no real interest in knowing more than what their human living fleshes may need. To express this satisfaction, a typical atheist says: 'God doesn't exist'... no matter what the word 'god' may refer to. And a formal theist glorifies, when necessary, the god and some Elite (as Pharaohs, Prophets or Messengers for example) who are approved by the authority that organizes the community he belongs to.
 

I can't agree that we have no choice but to follow the role embedded in our nature (my bolded).  At best I think you'll find our nature consists of a constellation of predispositions and an assortment of interests not all of which are even known consciously by us.  These vie with one another chaotically.  Even if one subscribed to a theory of determinism I would think the calculus required to predict how all these become resolved in ones life is beyond anyone's understanding.  Therefore it would be naive to suppose that each action a person takes was ever inevitable from any possible point of view - including a divine one.
May I say that one of the embedded subroutines that are related to our intellectual immunity system let us feel the need to disagree, as a first reaction, anytime we hear something not clear enough.
On the other hand, if these instructions are chaotic, we won't have the chance to witness the 'power' of propaganda over billions on people in the world, on theses days. The powerful/rich families (power and money are twins who can both survive for one person if they are of the same level only) around the world have all the necessary means to reach almost every house on the planet (if not beyond it Wink ). Their universal/global propaganda would have no serious effects on their audience if they are not served by professional researchers of these embedded instructions; in order to predict in advance the various reactions of their victims (propaganda's victims). It would be off topic if I try elaborating more this point from this angle.
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Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 7:07 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 7:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 7:50 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by ignoramus - June 25, 2017 at 7:24 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:18 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 9:46 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Alex K - June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 4:39 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 8:26 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Alex K - June 25, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 3:52 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Minimalist - June 25, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 4:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 6:03 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 1:04 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 11:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 2:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 25, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 25, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 7:09 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by SteelCurtain - June 26, 2017 at 7:27 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 12:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 3:18 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 3:43 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 12:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 2:52 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by ignoramus - June 26, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 2:34 am

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