A Quote For Atheist to consider :

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God is the one who CREATED the laws of science in the first place and doesnt have to follow them.

Okay, now all you need to do is prove it. Good luck with that.

Oh what a surprise yet another person just insulting me and avoiding discussing what was actually said. And then there's others who are just correcting grammar things. I can't say I'm surprised at all I actually expected all that ...

It should come as no surprise, you insufferable twit, barging onto an atheist message board/forum having no prior understanding of what atheism actually means, create a username that is an argument from ignorance in of itself, and then also display atrocious spelling is obviously going to land you in hot water; being the "boffin who finds intellectual debates stimulating" as you claim, you're left without excuse; the fact that you've been corrected upon this a gross error a dozen or so times, that we're TEN pages into the thread, and you still refuse to amend it, displays to us your own overbearing stubbornness, hubris and wilful ignorance. I strongly urge you to PM the administrators and have that corrected ASAP.

You guys are really showing your true colors and intelligence and willingness to have an intellectual collective discussion free of meaningless bullcrap that is not contructive....

LOL. It was a really short discussion. You have a misconceived presupposition about what atheism actually is. That we've responded to this yet you dogmatically stick with your original misconceptions is no fault of our own. Do try and keep up with current events will you?

There are many things i could say but that would require much typing which i don't quite feel doing.

Oh my life... you say that yet continue to rant onwards about the universe and submit that as evidence? That's not what we're asking for; the fact that nature is complex says nothing about a deity or intelligent designer, at all. Now put up or shut up already. DEFINE GOD OR GO AWAY.

The cell is so perfectly specific and so extremely complex that some scientist are even saying that aliens seeded life here on earth. Now just think about that for a moment. That doing the same thing you claim I do and just throwing off the problem onto something else and begs the question "Well where did the aliens come from?". It just shocks me that such intelligent people would rather believe that aliens created us that God. The evidence is right there in front of them, they just don't want to admit it.

Stop pretending you actually know what real scientists do, unlike you they're open-minded; they'll take claims and test them. That hypothesis for abiogenesis is not what scientists believe is factual, in that it actually happened. Go read a science book when you're finally done reading the Book of Genesis.

You say things like God is contradictory and that its ridiculous that he's watching over us and that there is no afterlife but u bring forth no evidence or explain why your statement and explain why you believe so.

Don't shift your burden of proof onto us douche. Provide a clear positive ontology for your god or piss off.

Actually I have not insulted or attacked anyone. I'm actually the one that is being insulted and attacked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw

I'v stated this. In YOUR realm of thinking something HAS to come from nothing.

STOP. That's not even what we're arguing or what the big bang theory is all about, and that you keep asserting it is over and over again either demonstrates you are a buffoon or deliberately trolling us. Big Bang model is all to do with cosmology, NOT cosmogony, which is concerning the origin of reality as we know it. The Big Bang is not "something from nothing", it's a gravitational singularity where all the matter and antimatter originated from; the origins of that, or why antimatter lost out to matter, and as we're already explained to you, are still unclear and the pursuit of scientists and epistemologists everywhere because we have no empirical evidence of anything before the expansion of space-time and Planck time breaks down when you try to look at what happened before this event.

As well as in mine but theres a big difference. If you actually think of in the realm of that there is a God the fact is that he is God and does not require the need to follow the laws of man like having a beginning or being created by something else. The reason you can comprehend the fact that God has no beginning is because everything in YOUR would does. God is much greater than that. He's GOD he doesn't need to follow the laws of man which he created in the first place. But in your model there is no God with the power to bend the laws of everything needing a beginning. If you truly just think about it a god is the only way for anything to happen because at some point the laws of having no beginning HAVE to be bent.

If god's above the natural physical laws and logical absolutes then its pointless trying to present a case for him, he's not simply within or beyond our comprehension or understanding - he's complete nonsense, a childish fantasy, a fabrication of the human imagination that you have a conviction for, not us. If god as the uncaused first cause doesn't require a beginning then its safe to say that the universe also doesn't require a beginning either and that it has always existed in some form or other. Goodbye.

You see I actually ENJOY intelligent debate and discussing things, it intrigues me.

Cut the bullcrap, you are seeking confirmation in your personal evidence-free beliefs, reaffirming your Christian identity and faith in your sky daddy rather than responding to us non-believers, you are not here to debate but to proselytise and thus are on thin ice, I can't see you lasting very long here.

God is a very vast and uncontainable being that you can't just put in a box and conform to what you want. I'm not even out of the realm of thinking that maybe God created other life. Why should I be so close minded and selfish to limit God and to think that God does not have the capability to create other life and sustain it just as equally.

Okay finally, you're now describing this deity's attributes for once, so I gather he's very big, just how big? Approx dimensions please. And why would he care about life if it's so damn small, frail and insignificant compared to his majesty? How does god sustain life on Earth? What biological processes does he maintain 24/7? EXPLAIN.

I want both of you and anybody else involved in this post to please go and watch this :

I refuse to waste any more of my one-and-only life on Lee Strobel, do you really think we're not already aware of him and his antics? He's intellectually dishonest about his own life for Pete's sake and therefore not fundamentally serious about his supposed position in his quest for knowledge, he was never an atheist but sceptical of atheism from the get-go, much like Kirk Cameron is.

I repeat: DEFINE GOD OR GO AWAY.