RE: Is atheism self-contradictory ?
June 27, 2017 at 12:43 pm
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2017 at 12:52 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 27, 2017 at 11:43 am)Parsim0ny Wrote: I'm not trying to sell you anything. I'm simply requesting for a reasonable explanation about our minds being presumably reliable.-and you got that immediately, pages and pages and pages ago.
Evolutionary procesess selectively favor reliable brains.
Quote: If an evolved brain possessed This is, of course, not sufficient to summon any supernatural creator, but means that If our minds aren't the work of a consciousness, THEN they are not reliable.It's like you put two thoughts and mashed them together midsentence without any indication as to where one led into the other........
Our minds are reliable -regardless- of whether or not they are the work of a conscious. Regardless of the existence of a "consciousness" our brains are the reliable product of evolutionary pressure. There -is- no need to summon any supernatural creator.
Quote:If this previous statement holds, then by contraposition : If our minds are reliable, it follows that they are the work of a concsiousness, regardless of its nature.The reliability of a mind doesn't appear to be remotely related to the existence of your, or any, god. Our minds are reliable..we know how they ended up that way, and they have no need of a supernatural creator.
Quote:I should also repeat that selective alterations of the genomes aren't sufficient to resolve the issue, since we don't know whether we reached a mind sophisticated enough to demonstrate objective truths.Who cares, it obviously can produce a reliable mind..which is what you asked for, what we have..and what you got. That you doubt that your own brain is sophisticated enough to demonstrate objective truths is your own problem. I have doubts about your brain as well.
Quote:So here's a formal version of my argument you're requesting for :Your premises are demonstrably false, and your conclusion simply a restatement of those premises. That you refuse to acknowledge that those premises have already been shown to be demonstrabnly false, however, is an indicator of how reliable -your- brain is. Did the perfect being do that to you, or his guidance?
(1) My mind isn't the work of a consciousness.
(2) No unconscious process can generate a reliable consciousness. A product can't have attributes superior to its designer.
It clearly follows from the two premises that our minds ARE NOT reliable as we claim they are.
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