My question to pro-choice supporters

[The Grand Nudger]

My point was the woman either has to pay for a highly evasive medical procedure or has to full time raise a child .

Oh, I feel ya there.  Obviously the cost should be split if the decision was mutual and our ridiculous government should pony up cash when people cant afford it.  It's cheaper than welfare.  

Meanwhile he waltz off to work jobs for untraceable money horde it then lie about it . In my job in Domestic we hunted down countless numbers  of these assholes. They always have money for everything else.  But never when it's time to pay the support. Always it a alternate bank account or a "Friend"  hiding the money. They are never in my experience are dead broke. Just good at lying about it or hiding the(often not small) amounts of  money they do make. Well often making plenty of "accidents" along the way .

Some guys are dicks.  That probably shouldn't inform your opinion on law and equality, thought, right?  I'm not talking a bout some schmuck walking out on a kid (or tons of kids) anyway..nobody can do that without consequence and that's how that should be.  I'm talking about a male having the same reproductive choices as a female insomuch as they don't violate a females rights.  There is a way for a female to legally, acceptably, and unilaterally decide not to be a parent -before- a child is born but after conception.  Why is there no way for a male to do so, and why shouldn't there be?  

As for society if were talking the laws nope woman may have the ability to get child support but the system is so often limp wristed it not even funny. So no it's not like jokers are being dragged in irons to the gallows . They often  go  there whole lives without paying a cent  . And no I won't take a dead beat dad at his word because in my experience they almost always lie.

The system is fucked up, that's an argument for improving the system..not for punishing bad men™ with fatherhood.  Perhaps, if there were fewer bad men™ to chase down the system could handle the remainder? Perhaps some of the bad men™ aren't really bad men in the first place. Funny thing about dragnets like child support enforcement..they're shitty at catching criminals, intentional offenders. They're a whole lot better at catching guys who aren't hiding, who do report, but fail to comply. My stepfather went 20 years without paying a single cent to -two- women for 6 kids. I had to go to court to avoid 30 days in jail because I was 20k in arrears on day for one child due to how the state backdates child support to the date that a divorce was sought, and mine took over a year in arbitration. Got picked up for a busted taillight, lol. I have no idea how he got away with it, no uidea why his child support commitment for 6 kids was $100 buks a month, either. Mine is $200 a week plus half of medical expenses and college until she's 24. Took me awhile to catch up, what with the state charging me interest like it was a loan and not being able to claim that expense for purposes of public assistance even though the recipient -can- claim it as income. I said it at the start, I'll say it again. Patriarchy is bad, even for men. I know that some low level shitweasel somewhere thought they were hammering a bad man™ in my case, riding in to save the poor downtrodden damsel (who walked away with everything I owned and left me with her debts...lol). Probably had to deal with a string of terrible motherfuckers before me and I was just another name, just another deadbeat who surely had money squirreled away somewhere.

The system is fucked up. It fails to support the people it's supposed to help but succeeds in extorting and intimidating people for whom there is no earthly reason to do so. Ultimately, though..that's not what we're talking about. I pay because I wanted a child. I made that commitment - I'm not talking about changing that. I'm not suggesting that, when daddy is tired of mommy and his kindergartner..he can waltz.

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To further elaborate my first point

http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/03/the-man...rnity.html

A positively horrible idea for a bill.  Yet another way for someone to consign someone else to parenthood.  However, ask yourself this......what makes it horrible?  Is it horrible because..in the event it became a bill, a female could be forced to become a parent against her will because the other party refused to go along with an abortion?  Well..golly gee...that's exactly where a male is at the moment.

(The universe delivered a sick sort of karmic justice on my stepdad, btw. Since he legally adopted me to change my name to his own, ad since I was the eldest..I became not only his legal heir and next of kin..but the only child h had that was of age when he died. I became the executor of his estate..which included a half interest on one of my families homes and..sadly, full interest on his parents home..the two of which died shortly after he died. I didn't cry for him, I did cry for them - my grandfather just grunted and stared into space for a few months before he gave up - couldn't handle his sons death, but the proceeds of the sale of that home squared things away for my mother and the other woman, and one of his daughters ended up living in one of the two homes..which she desperately needed..since she decided to have one of those deadbeat dads kids and couldn't have afforded rent - in that case he at least had the courtesy to OD and die..so now his son gets his ss. She's about to do it again..only this time the guy was pretty clear on not being able to afford a kid and not wanting one..she just can't have an abortion - far too catholic, lol. I feel for him, I've known him since he was five..there isn't a shitty bone in his body. Ah well, such is life and the fucked up state of our system.)

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He should of used a French Letter. Or better yet, kept it in his pants.

If you had a share in bringing a baby into the world, then you should have a share in raising it.

Maybe you should put that on a piece of project board and picket an abortion clinic with it?