My question to pro-choice supporters

[The Grand Nudger]

(Not really responding to anyone in particular)

Let's look at the human animal a little more, and at instinct and evolution.  It seems to me that among young adults, men are much more likely to use relationships to get sex, and women are more likely to consent to sexual encounters because young men set it as a criterion for continuing the relationship.  "Come on, baby. . . if you really loved me. . . "  It seems extremely hypocritical to me that a man in this state should not be expected to live up to the post-sex stages of sexual reproduction-- whether he wants to or not.  "I was willing to pay for an abortion, but she wouldn't do it, so it's on her now. . . "  That's shitty-- just because she has moral or even instinctive reasons not to go through with an abortion doesn't mean she should get a life sentence while he's free as a bird.

No more or less shitty than "he wanted the child and I didn't".  How is referring to her animal instincts to get a partner (if this reference is even remotely accurate..which I doubt) any different than referring to his and the need to nut...and what place does either have in law?  

I have yet to meet a man who's "free as a bird" after having knocked some girl up.  I know plenty manage to dodge the law...but that's kind of a bad thing from top to bottom and the very antithesis of freedom. You are not free if you are under constant threat of legal action. Meanwhile, a female can..not effectively but actually..be free as a bird.  Gopod for her, that -should- be an option..because whatever we were when we were scouring the savannah for roots has jack shit to do with where we are now.

In some cases, you just have a couple of people who are so horny they couldn't think straight enough to stop and get a condom, or to plan ahead enough for the girl to get on the pill or whatever.  Again, they are both submitting to an extremely strong instinctive drive.  Why should one of them get a life sentence for HER logical fail in the face of strong instinct, and he get a pass for his?

No reason at all...-and she can have an abortion- or put the child up for adoption...but he can't...again, that's the point.

Saying "She has control.  She could have gotten an abortion or gone on the pill" really isn't fair.  Some girls don't have access to abortions.  Some are against it for moral or religious reasons, which if she's young have been conditioned in her.  Blaming her because she's not enlightened enough to see a fertilized egg as just a bundle of cells isn't a good enough reason for thrusting her into a lifelong commitment to a young human being with no support from anyone.

Access to reproductive healthcare is spotty, but this is an argument for improving access, not for enforcing inequality in reproductive choices based on possession of peen.  No one is thrusting her into anything, except herself, if she decides -for any reason- to have a baby..and that's her right. No one can force her to abort - again, that's the point.  It''s her choice.  Her choices carry consequences for her...but probably shouldn't for him.  It's a pointless aside anyway..since no one is choosing to have a baby just because they choose to have sex - period.

Nah, fuck that.  It DOES take two to tango, and in the case of young people, it probably takes MORE than two to deal with the consequences.  Pull that other little fucker out of the dance club, give him a goddamned spatula and a McDonald's cap, and let him start paying for his mistakes in an equal way.

..............yup, deadbeat, by god, we'll make him pay.  Why not go shame some sluts while you're at it? Two people looking to come hard in 2017 and -this- is what they get from society? Epic fail. This sort of baseless moralizing might have had a place before the scalpel was invented......but really, what are we doing, today, in the first world.....maintaining it?

All of this...all of it, mirrors word for word and sentiment for sentiment the nonsense that was used to block reproductive choice in women from forever until so recently as within living memory. It's a huge part of -why- we have a ton of fatherless children running around. "Pay for your sins or run" - and what did women do presented with the same "choice"? They broke the law and suffered for it. They cowered under the law....and suffered for it. We all suffered for it.