(July 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Did you read what I wrote? I said there are Christians who have wronged other people.
Oh, yes. I did read it. You said that he would have been going against the teachings of his religion, implying that he was not a "real Christian." I responded accordingly.
(July 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I just do not believe there is any evidence this man was a Christian. Claiming to be a police officer does not make you one either, just to play along with your analogy.
I said a police officer, not a fraud. The analogy is, a man is working as a police officer. He is employed as such, legitimately. He kills someone out of anger. Does that mean he was never a police officer? Quit dodging.
(July 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Scripture says there are certain finger prints of the Holy Spirit's saving work, and those are the fruit of the spirit. This man doesn't seem to display any of those things, so it's a safe bet that he does not possess saving grace at this time. We will never agree on this matter though because we have completely different ideas of what it means to actually be a Christian.
Let's say he is a christian and there is a god (this is a hypothetical, don't give me shit about it later. I am not agnostic.). Then, let's say god told him to do it. That it was god's will. You have no way of knowing this, so why inject what is essentially your opinion when you can't know god's plan?
(July 26, 2011 at 7:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: God's declared will is for men to love their enemies, not commit murder and to forgive others, so it's obvious this man was violating God's legal will.
According to the book you get that supposed legal will from, god has ordered men to kill other men, women and children. So, it is obvious that it is possible, according to your beliefs, that god ordered this man to do what he did. Of course, he is making no such claim to my knowledge, but I can't understand why you do not see the contradiction here. God says, kill all these assholes and steal whoever is left and then Christians say, "God wants us to love each other." What the fuck? Are you really surprised that people argue against that sort of belief system?