RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
July 16, 2017 at 11:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2017 at 11:55 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Theocracies -do- base their moral systems on harm. Can you suggest a harmless sin..not a sin that -you- would see as harmless, but one that -they- would? The whole point of following a gods rules is to avoid harm to oneself, to whomever the harmful thing is supposed to hurt, to society, or even to god.
You think that they;re wrong about what causes harm, or to whom..and so do I, I would say objectively wrong..... but it's very clear that harm is fundamental to their theocratic morality.
You're now asking me why infidelity and deception are immoral, but you already know my answer. Something doesn't suddenly become harmful the moment you're caught, you know......and getting away with some harmful thing doesn't change the harm that was done. We all have ways of excusing ourselves for harm, you wouldn't be the first guy to imagine that this one had traction.
Why don't you go ask your significant other those questions? I'm sure it'll clear you right up. It doesn't.
You think that they;re wrong about what causes harm, or to whom..and so do I, I would say objectively wrong..... but it's very clear that harm is fundamental to their theocratic morality.
(July 16, 2017 at 11:06 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(July 16, 2017 at 10:54 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If he was trying to keep his wife from harm he wouldn't be cheating on her. Kind of basic stuff buddy. Deceit is a dead give away that a person knows what they're doing is harmful, in addition to being yet another vector of harm in and of itself. That you have to ask suggests that your moral agency is......lacking.
So where is the harm, if she doesn't find out? You seem to be needing to add a lot to your basis of harm to make work. It's not sufficient to find harm (by some stretch), and claim that as the basis. And I agree, it is pretty basic stuff. I'm not making the case, that this is not immoral, but that using harm as the basis, doesn't equate.
You're now asking me why infidelity and deception are immoral, but you already know my answer. Something doesn't suddenly become harmful the moment you're caught, you know......and getting away with some harmful thing doesn't change the harm that was done. We all have ways of excusing ourselves for harm, you wouldn't be the first guy to imagine that this one had traction.
Why don't you go ask your significant other those questions? I'm sure it'll clear you right up. It doesn't.
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