RE: Objective morality as a proper basic belief
July 17, 2017 at 7:56 pm
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2017 at 8:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 17, 2017 at 7:26 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:That's clearly not the point I was responding to up above, but okay....
(July 17, 2017 at 9:33 am)Khemikal Wrote: Both as punishments for harm. It's a draconian system, but the point -is- to scare you shitless, and keep you from doing what they consider to be harmful. Those things are considered just retribution. They're not, but we're not talking about whether or not they got it right, but why they propose what they do. There's is neither an objective morality, nor an accurate morality, nor a just or consistent system of moral desert.... but it is based on harm as they see it.I'm not arguing for objective morality, my only point was that it's possible to reach objective moral conclusions based on a subjective foundation.
An objective moral statement requires requires a moral fact of the matter. No subjective moral framework is capable of yielding a meaningfully objective moral conclusion - by definition. It can provide a consistent conclusion. It can provide correlative conclusions. It can provide a useful conclusion. You can comment objectively -on- a subjective moral system and it;s conclusions(as I did above)...but it does not, because it cannot, provide an objectively moral conclusion.
(July 17, 2017 at 7:37 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: But even the notion of sociopaths and such don't actually change the axiom it just adds nuance to it
It doesn't add an ounce of nuance to the axiom, it modifies notions of moral desert pursuant to the axiom.
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