RE: Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?
July 27, 2017 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: July 27, 2017 at 3:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 27, 2017 at 3:37 pm)SteveII Wrote: What do you mean I don't accept ordinary evidence for anyone else's extraordinary claims? How would you know that? To what do you refer?At what point do you think I'll start to pussyfoot around with you?
Quote:And it the body of evidence only included the 'stories', you would have a point. But that's no where near all that it includes (pasted from earlier):"well...there's this book....see"
- Documentary (both actual and inferred)
- The churches, the growth, the persecution, and the occasional mention in surviving secular works.
- The characters, their actions, character, stated goals, meaning of their words, and eventual circumstances
- Jesus' own claims (explicit, implicit, connections to the OT--some of which the disciples may have never known).
- The actual message: how it seems to fit the human condition, resonate with people, and how it does not contradict the OT--which would have required a very sophisticated mind to have navigated that.
- Paul and his writings on application and affirmation of the major claims--done before the Gospels were independently written. To have them work so well together is incredible.
- This one can't be stressed enough: the unlikelihood of alternate theories to explain the facts. I think it is obvious people believed from day one when Jesus was still walking around. I have never heard an alternate theory which could account for most or all of the concrete and circumstantial evidence we have.
Quote:I do have some measure of faith they are accurate--but my point is and will continue to be, there is much more evidence that supports reasonable belief than the standard internet-bred atheist thinks. I have never demanded that anyone find it compelling, but claim there is "no evidence" (made left and right on this site) is just stupid talk and someone has to point that out--because atheist here hardly ever call out each other on stupidity.If there were evidence you wouldn't keep trying to bicker about a storybook and how stupid and dumb this or that is and how atheists never call each other out on stuff and whaaaaa...whaaaaaaaa...whaaaa.
It would be evident. No one has expressed skepticism about the existence of magic book and churches and people who go to church believing in magic book - everyone knows that those things exist. Here's an alternate theory, people tell stories. Now..no one is required to give you an alternate theory, things don;t become true by virtue of being written on a cave wall..but I'd love to see you step on your own dick denying that people tell stories. Have at it.
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