I lost my Soul

[Godscreated]

I see you are running out of intelligent responses, you've gone to the ridiculous.

I can only work with what you give me. I said Jesus didn't trot out hell to nonbelievers, and you give me verses where there's no indication that the people he was talking to did not believe in hell.

They were not saved, if they were Jesus wouldn't of needed to say anything about hell. It is the ones who believe in the possibility of hell that fear it, not people who believe like you, or do you?

I saw your motive very clearly. Whether they believed in hell or not doesn't even come into the discussion, you are dodging my response because you do not know the scriptures that well.

I'm in an excellent position to know without a doubt that you did not. Whether they believed in hell was exactly the point of the discussion. Your response doesn't require any dodging because you did not give any examples of Jesus threatening people who did not believe in hell, with hell. Maybe you should go back and re-read our conversation.

I do not need to go back and read it because it doesn't matter whether unbelievers believe in hell or not and how do you know those people believed in hell, secularism wasn't invented by modern man. Jesus message was to the entire world not just to those He was teaching at the time. 

Read John 3:16, 
2nd Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish.

That has nothing to do with an eternal hell being justified.

Just because you do not like thinking about the possibility of hell doesn't mean hell is not justified. And let's say this also, whether hell is justified or not you can't change the fact it is real and a place all the lost will be. The verses has very thing to do with justification, it's not my fault you can't see the reasoning.[/quote]

You are correct, if I did not like thinking about the possibility of hell, it would not mean that jell is not justified. But those verses are not about justifying hell. I know you believe in hell, but I don't. The difference is that I am completely at peace with you believing in hell while you seem compelled to try to convince other people that they're going there if they don't believe you. My friendly advice is that you save hell for after you've convinced me that God talks to you.

Sure they are, there is always two sides and hell is justified because there is a reward. If the unbelievers are not punished for their sins what makes it worth the effort to find salvation. Could it be that I with no doubt of the reality of hell am concerned for you. My reasons for witnessing is not to scare people but to show them that a life with God is worth having, I speak about hell because it is real and it is the alternative of an eternity with God. I've never tried to convince you God speaks to me, I know you do not believe in God so I understand you wouldn't believe me, though I do share that he has spoken to me. You will find it a rare case where I would tell you about what God has said to me because much of it is for me alone, relationships do work that way you know.

It's the atheist here who called these people simple minded goat herders that couldn't understand the simplest of things. Are you contradicting them.

GC

I don't know who 'the atheist here' is, but if they actually said that, I am contradicting it. They may not have been able to figure out the moon reflects the sun's light on their own, but they were certainly capable of understanding the concept if it was explained to them.

Almost all the atheists here especially the hard nosed ones. How do you know that they would have understood and even if they would have it doesn't matter because God is more concerned about the eternal destination of people than give a science lesson.

I've noticed you make a lot of claims about 'almost all the atheists here' acting this way or that way or saying this thing or that thing, but never make any effort to back up your claim. That seems to be a pattern with you on a lot of other matters as well.

You're kidding, right? I only state what is true, and the claims I make are from what atheist have said in post to me, if you want to find out for yourself go back and read all the threads I've been involved in. I'm not going to set on a public forum or any other place and lie about something, first it's wrong and second it would ruin my credibility with those who just visit the sight and never join. They are the main reason I stay here, hoping that God will answer their questions through me, not to my credit but always for God's glory.  

I expect that adult members of an Iron Age civilization can understand explanations at least as well as any four-year-old. Is there some particular reason that my expectation should be different? What reason would God have for giving them an inaccurate account, one is as good and reasonable as the other from an Iron Age point of view, but only one stands the test of time, and that is not the one God went with.

Why should I not expect God to be accurate and truthful in all things, even trivial (at the time) scientific distinctions?

God wasn't interested in science lessons, why can't you understand that. Saving His creation from self destruction has always been His sole purpose with us. We (mankind) screwed up His creation through our free choices and God is going to right things for us through our free choices, His work is absolutely consistent. Also if God had told the Israelites that the moon reflected the light of the sun the rest of the world at that time would not have believed it and thus not even considered the God of the Israelites. He knew that some day we would discover how things worked and us our brains to understand it wasn't necessary for the Israelites to know. You are trying very hard to beat this dead horse. 

If God had reported the actual state of affairs more accurately, wouldn't apologists be all over it as scientific knowledge the Hebrews had in advance of when they would reasonably have discovered it on their own, which they would take as evidence the Hebrews were in contact with a being that knew more than they did? A lot of people would find that very convincing, though actually the Hebrews could have easily discovered that little tidbit with careful naked eye observations. Anaxagoras is credited with figuring it out before 429 BC. But the Hebrews weren't big into scientific investigation, so they didn't catch the worm on that one.

You want one to satisfy your curiosity, then I'll give you one. During the time of Abraham everyone could actually see that there was a limited amount of stars to be seen and had no reason to believe there were more than those stars. As a matter of fact during those days most people slept on the roofs of their homes on summer nights or out on the ground where it was a bit cooler. They had plenty of time to observe the stars and most people knew the night sky better then than they do now. Okay what's the big deal you say, God told Abraham that He would create a nation as innumerable as the stars in the sky, this was never questioned by any Israelite even though they knew that the stars were not innumerable as far as they could tell. So there you are something "very convincing" from God about the universe. Bold above by me.

GC