RE: I lost my Soul
August 2, 2017 at 9:53 am
(This post was last modified: August 2, 2017 at 10:14 am by Mister Agenda.)
Godscreated Wrote:Mister Agenda Wrote:I can only work with what you give me. I said Jesus didn't trot out hell to nonbelievers, and you give me verses where there's no indication that the people he was talking to did not believe in hell.
They were not saved, if they were Jesus wouldn't of needed to say anything about hell. It is the ones who believe in the possibility of hell that fear it, not people who believe like you, or do you?
'Not saved' is not the same thing as 'doesn't believe in hell'. He preached almost entirely to Jews, remember? (waits for GC to reply with something that doesn't contradict 'almost entirely')
Godscreated Wrote:I do not need to go back and read it because it doesn't matter whether unbelievers believe in hell or not and how do you know those people believed in hell, secularism wasn't invented by modern man. Jesus message was to the entire world not just to those He was teaching at the time.
But my point is that he didn't threaten hell to people he was teaching to at the time, who didn't believe in hell. The NT doesn't have any stories about Jesus preaching to secularists. He preached almost entirely to fellow Jews. An eternal place of torment for the damned was a common belief among 1st century Jews. It would be surprising if they didn't believe in hell. YOU are certainly in no position to claim they did not.
Godscreated Wrote:Sure they are, there is always two sides and hell is justified because there is a reward. If the unbelievers are not punished for their sins what makes it worth the effort to find salvation. Could it be that I with no doubt of the reality of hell am concerned for you. My reasons for witnessing is not to scare people but to show them that a life with God is worth having, I speak about hell because it is real and it is the alternative of an eternity with God. I've never tried to convince you God speaks to me, I know you do not believe in God so I understand you wouldn't believe me, though I do share that he has spoken to me. You will find it a rare case where I would tell you about what God has said to me because much of it is for me alone, relationships do work that way you know.
An eternal reward is also not justified. There is no finite good you can accomplish that merits infinite reward, just at there is no finite evil you can commit that merits infinite punishment. And certainly neither can justify the other. The former amounts to a nice gesture of giving you infinitely more reward than you deserve, while the latter is an infinitely malicious vengeance that is infinitely more punishment than you deserve. Justice is getting what you deserve, getting more or less is not justice, by definition.
If you're concerned for me, start by convincing me the creator and sustainer of the universe is advising you. Every time you misread my motives or use scare tactics, it gives the opposite impression. If you convinced me you've got more going for you than just being another guy ranting on the internet, that would be something at least. It would be the most you could possibly do online. If you seemed to have something more than human feeding you your lines, that would be remarkable. But you don't seem much different than a Muslim doing the same thing. And if you can't be troubled to convince me that God talks to you because I wouldn't believe you, why trouble yourself with the hell business? It's the exact same logic. And you don't do anything at all to make it seem like you have a life that it would be desirable to emulate. If I pray hard enough, I get to be a guy who rants about hell on the internet and thinks he can't be wrong about why people disagree with him? Why would I want to sign up for that?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
