I lost my Soul

[Mister Agenda]

I've noticed you make a lot of claims about 'almost all the atheists here' acting this way or that way or saying this thing or that thing, but never make any effort to back up your claim. That seems to be a pattern with you on a lot of other matters as well.

You're kidding, right? I only state what is true, and the claims I make are from what atheist have said in post to me, if you want to find out for yourself go back and read all the threads I've been involved in. I'm not going to set on a public forum or any other place and lie about something, first it's wrong and second it would ruin my credibility with those who just visit the sight and never join. They are the main reason I stay here, hoping that God will answer their questions through me, not to my credit but always for God's glory. 

If you can't be trouble to back up your claims, I won't trouble myself to believe you. But I don't think you're lying, I just think you're suffering from a martyrdom complex that leads you to interpret any response you get in the worst way you can think of, and exaggerate the frequency. For instance, when you say 'almost all atheists here', I think you mean, at most, the ones who have argued with you, which is far from 'almost all atheists here' on this forum. The ones who argue with you are a self-selected minority who are unlikely to really be representative of the forum atheist population. And I also think if I went over all the threads you ever made, I wouldn't find many posts by atheists here that live down to your claim.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, the justification is equal.

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Also if God had told the Israelites that the moon reflected the light of the sun the rest of the world at that time would not have believed it and thus not even considered the God of the Israelites. He knew that some day we would discover how things worked and us our brains to understand it wasn't necessary for the Israelites to know. You are trying very hard to beat this dead horse. 

How do you know the rest of the world wouldn't believe it? The rest of the world seems to have been fine with starting to believe it hundreds of years before the time Jesus was supposed to have born. Why were the Greeks so much more credible than the Hebrews? If believability was a concern, why not just not mention that the moon was a source of light? Why not withhold the information rather than give wrong information?

If the horse is so dead, why do you keep trying to save it?

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You want one to satisfy your curiosity, then I'll give you one. During the time of Abraham everyone could actually see that there was a limited amount of stars to be seen and had no reason to believe there were more than those stars. As a matter of fact during those days most people slept on the roofs of their homes on summer nights or out on the ground where it was a bit cooler. They had plenty of time to observe the stars and most people knew the night sky better then than they do now. Okay what's the big deal you say, God told Abraham that He would create a nation as innumerable as the stars in the sky, this was never questioned by any Israelite even though they knew that the stars were not innumerable as far as they could tell. So there you are something "very convincing" from God about the universe. Bold above by me.

GC

Oh, so mysterious! The Hebrews noticed that they couldn't get a consistent count of the stars that they could see, so it must have taken a superhuman intellect to inform them that they can't enumerate the stars. Since how many stars you can see depends on light conditions, current atmospheric conditions, time of year, strength of vision, age (the older you get the less sensitive your eyes are to faint light), and how long you look (it takes about 30 minutes for your eyes to become dark-adapted enough to maximize the number of stars you can see), you're not going to get the same count night to night and person to person. We still can't say definitively how many stars can be seen in the night sky with the naked eye.

It also probably didn't help that the Hebrews counted planets and meteors as stars.

The only thing the Bible seems to have gotten right about astronomy and the earth's relationship to the universe is in Job, where it is said to 'hang upon nothing'. Figuratively at least, that's true, and not completely trivial to figure out if you don't know that the earth rotates. If the Bible hadn't gotten so much else wrong, I'd be a little bit impressed by that (only a little bit because the only alternative is it resting on something that's an infinite regress of things sitting on things, so it's about 50/50 as a guess). But even a stopped clock is right twice a day.