(August 4, 2017 at 2:38 pm)A Theist Wrote: There's a democrat poll which shows the Dems are polling even worse than the president among the white working class voters. Eight years of Obama and the left and their war on coal and manufacturing through regulations, some of which Trump reversed, cost the Dems those working class votes. Trump's message of bringing jobs back resonated with those voters.
https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenso...s-n2362229
I am sure not going to argue that Dems are feckless and have no messaging ability and no backbone. They refused to own ACA, and now that it's more popular than not, it's too late to defend it. This "A Better Deal" bullshit is as limp-dicked as you can get. You'll get no argument from me.
But that's largely because voters get fired up about issues that don't affect them personally. The GOP is incredible at telling lies until they become as true as the Bible for most GOP voters. Immigration, Abortion, Guns --- the "insert Dem here" is gonna take your guns, or kill your babies, or let all the Mexicans in fire people up even though they are demonstrably false, and they vote against their own economic interests because those things empassion them more than boring economic policies. No matter how many Democrats get into office or become President and make little or no moves towards changing any of these policies---the white collar workers will believe it.
As far as coal and manufacturing, regulations had very little to do with the decline in numbers for jobs in those industries. Fracking the entire southwest did. Natural gas is cleaner, safer, and less expensive to extract than coal. That fucking free market bites both ways. Coal is dirty, dangerous to extract, and costly in terms of manpower. Republican bills subsidizing mountaintop removal mining in coal country cut jobs, because the 10-20% of the manpower is needed to extract the same amount of coal. Automation and modularization is killing manufacturing jobs. I saw it in the GM plant I worked in. I worked on an engine machining line that had over 100 skilled laborers on three shifts working 7 days a week. They shut that line down because it was 16 years past its scheduled operation date, and when they opened up the new line in its place, it was staffed with 30 people. 70% jobs lost to modularization alone. The new line can machine engines as long as they want to maintain the boxes, as many different engine models as they want, just need 2-3 programmers and mechanics to retool and reprogram the boxes. This is happening everywhere. Immigrants aren't taking good American jobs, robots are. They are cheaper, quicker, and they don't fuck up as much.
So TL : DR, sure the GOP is better at telling people what they want to hear, and clearly people like you buy it up because it fits your narrative, but that doesn't make them correct.
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