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If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
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RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary?
(August 6, 2017 at 12:29 am)ComradeMeow Wrote: I am not remotely comparing religious faith to the word faith at all. I am merely referring to the word faith and its definition. I am also referring to whether or not a person can exhibit faith in something, that's all. You are adding religious overtones and complications to the word which should be not be a problem to anyone. Whether or not you exhibit faith in certain situations is irregardless since we as people have a tendency on making bad decisions or decisions that don't hold up to the greatest tidbits of reasoning.

On top of this is the fact we show great likings to things that are not reasonable to like. The only difference between religious faith and the regular usage of the word faith is nothing. Religion just requires truck loads of it in certain cases. 
Buddy, who said this?

Quote:Everybody exhibits faith in their life, as we all do that the earth won't get hit with a meteor the next day. If we did not we would all be owning bunkers at the moment and only invest in subterranean real estate. Faith is not as real to Christians or Muslim as it is certainty in god's existence and presence in their life.

That'd be you, and then again..... right up above... you insist that the difference between everyone's "faith" and religious faith is nothing.  Religious faith doesn't require or possess an ounce of what you call my "faith", nor have you accurately described my "faith".   

Quote:I never said believing in god is faith, nor did I say all people have faith because that is a blanketing of the word. It is like saying all people are liars when instead you would say that all people have lied. Essentially everything else you are saying at this point has nothing to do with what I said or anything to do with what I am arguing about.
So, you're unclear both on what the word refers to in a religious context -and- how it doesn't apply to my voting?  Wonder of wonders.  

Quote:The only thing I am arguing is that faith is not a religious concept and that anybody can show faith. Everyone here seems hellbent on making a simple word a religious tenet of some sort. Like I said before, faith is not even spoken of as Muslim do not accept unreasonability as a precursor to theism. Islamic tradition had the Mu'tazilahi pounding the concept of reasonable theism into the heads of theologians. This is why Islam is reductionist in its mythology and lacks many claims of miracles. 
Faith is an explicitly religious descriptor.  Novel uses of the term faith are chosen precisely to evoke the feeling of certitude associated with those religious traditions.  People might tell their spouse "I have faith in you", but, if the phrase is analyzed for meaning...one finds that a person has used the term as a poetic flourish - one does not have faith in their spouse...one has a reasonable expectation in their spouse combined with an abiding love that leads to the use of devotional language otherwise associated with religious tradition.  

I'm aware that many muslims are super sure their faith is reasonable - nevertheless faith still accurately describes their beliefs whereas it still does not accurately describe my voting.  Islam..reductionist..lacking in many miracles....?  If you say so.

Quote:Most Muslim do not even believe that miracles can be performed by men and Muhammad's death ended this notion of divine acts. So faith is quite antithetical to Islam although it does not change the fact that Islam is unreasonable and immoral in many cases.
You're pretty bad at identifying where faith is present and where it isn't..that just -might- have something to do with your convoluted and equivocative understanding of the term.  / shrugs
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RE: If evidence for god is in abundance, why is faith necessary? - by The Grand Nudger - August 6, 2017 at 8:20 am

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